• GoodEye8@lemm.ee
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    28 days ago

    Are you asking what value I give money? What price I put on human lives? If I would give up everything to keep the innocents out of harm?

    Then give those maintainers your money to get them out of Russia and help them get a different citizenship so they wouldn’t be affected by the sanctions. If you don’t have that money start a go-fund-me. After-all you said you’d give up everything to keep the innocent out of harm.

    My question isn’t about money, it’s about how far you’re willing to inconvenience yourself to help those unfairly treated Russians. The tax thing is just the bare minimum anyone could do because we’re paying taxes anyway. It takes no extra effort on your part, it’s just a question of where your tax money gets spent. Your quality of life drops but at least you know the wrong Russian didn’t get sanctioned. Is that the inconvenience you’re willing to make?

    I don’t see you making any inconveniences. I don’t see you making any effort beyond being outraged on the web. But feel free to prove me wrong.

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      28 days ago

      I never said I’m willing to give up everything…

      Anyway, your “arguments” boil down to a shifting grey area between, “they deserve it” and a very dispassionate “there’s no alternative”.

      It’s simplistic and dangerous. I hope you are young.

      Have a day.

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        28 days ago

        I never said I’m willing to give up everything…

        Like I said, you’re not wiling to do anything beyond being outraged on the web. My argument is very simple. We need to do something about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and that something is supposed to be something that is as inconvenient as it can be to Russia, while being as little of an inconvenience to us. Part of that something is broad strokes sanctions. The more specific you want those sanctions to be the more inconvenient it becomes for us. And by doing nothing you’re agreeing with me because you’re not willing to inconvenience yourself for those Russians.

        You think I’m being simplistic and dangerous, you’re the one wanting to have your cake and eat it. I understand that there’s a clear trade-off in what you’re demanding and I understand that most people, including you, are not actually willing to take that trade-off. You’re the one being childish and throwing a tantrum because you’re not getting everything you want.

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          28 days ago

          Let me go back to the root of your ever shifting discussion:

          Russia represent Russian citizens the same way the US represent US citizens.

          Yes and that is not very much.

          I’m not sure where and why you started going on about my personal hypocrisy toward the application of santions as the best strategy to counter Russian expansionism or how much it is agreeable as something to apply to the whole of the population.