You wanna set up different dev environments and process for every single language you or someone from your team might use? Oh we need documentation and a license for IDEA when we’re doing Java work, and PyCharm when we’re doing Python work, and WebStorm when we’re doing JavaScript work, or we just all use VSCode for everything.
I’ve worked on Java teams, Python Teams, JavaScript Teams, C# teams, and quite frankly, I’ve seen no major benefit to a dedicated IDE for that language vs just configuring VSCode plugins and CLI scripts.
We just have the ultimate license and can use all of the intellij IDEs, but you also can do everything with IDEA and some plugins. And I’m that car you still have the experience of a real IDE and not just a code editor.
Lol “real IDE”. Name the actual day to day feature(s) that makes it “real”. Just saying “you use a little bitch IDE, i use a real IDE” is not an argument.
Much better integrated refactoring support. Much better source code integration support. Much better integrated debugging support. Much better integrated assistive (but not ai) support.
Vscode can do many things IntelliJ can, but not all, and many of them require fiddling with plugins.
Usually, JB is also faster (if your dev machine can run it, but in my experience most devs have beefy machines).
Not my experience. I’ve had the displeasure of having to use Rider at work, and it’s much slower than VSCode, if only for boot times which are a pain in the butt for large projects. You gotta pay for that bloat and feature creep somehow.
And that’s on a Xeon machine.
As for refactoring, yes, Rider has lots of options that don’t work and do half the job. So much so, that I don’t use them at all, because they’re unreliable.
The requirement for Copilot to qualify an IDE is a bit funny. First, VSCode has some support for it, and, secondly, this is super recent, so unless IDEs didn’t exist since last year, I’d say this is not core to the definition of IDE.
They’re really not. As much as I hate commercial licensing for any dev tools, if you want to talk about superior there’s nothing quite as good as Visual Studio (not code) on Windows.
I adore Visual Studio for how it set the gold standard for code editing. VsCode is growing rapidly, but Visual Studio set an incredibly high bar.
For anyone reading along, Visual Studio Community Edition was free and fantastic last time I tried it, and it does 99% of anything any individual developer cares about.
The paid professional license shines for big messy enterprise stuff, but most people looking for an editor don’t need to worry about that.
All that said, disclaimer for full honesty: my tool of choice is NeoVim - often with a splash of VSCodium.
I don’t actually use VS either mostly because I prefer to use a lighter editor and the commandline. But it does set a high bar for what an IDE should be.
That’s just your opinion, and your specific use case. I do not enjoy using Visual Studio, and MS no longer makes it for the Mac (the superior developer platform (see what I did there?)). JetBrains products have their weaknesses but they are damn good.
They’re really not. As much as I hate commercial licensing for any dev tools, if you want to talk about superior there’s nothing quite as good as Visual Studio (not code) on Windows.
It really depends on what kind of project you’re working on. For .NET projects that might be true, but for other languages such as anything involving C++ then Visual Studio lags way behind CLion, which is multiplatform to boot.
Why would you use a library or framework when you can code everything from scratch? It probably depends on how good the VSCode extension is vs how bad the IDE is.
For the languages I have tried (mostly GoLang plus a bit of Terraform/Terragrunt), VSCode plugins can do code highlighting, can highlight syntax and lint errors, can navigate to a methods implementation, the auto-complete seems to pick random words from the code base, and can find the callers for a method. It is good enough for every day use.
IDEs I have used (Eclipse for Java, PyCharm, InteliJ for Kotlin) offer more. They all have starter templates for common file types. The auto-complete is much more syntax aware and can sometimes guess what variables I intend to pass in as arguments. There is refactoring which can correctly find other usages of a variable and can make trivial code rewrites. There are generators for boilerplate methods. They all have a built in graphical debugger and a test runner.
I’ve been on the lower price forever as I had a licence from before the switch.
It’s already expensive. And having a comercial option that is affordable for normal people rather than $$$ entreprise would be good. Quitte a few paying of their own because their entreprise won’t.
I would expect it to rise. I still think it’s worth it, if it’s a good tool for you. IntelliJ is really a good product, even if they do have their downsides. In a commercial environment, it’s totally worth it to buy a licence per developer, if it makes them more productive.
VSCode & VSCodium are also free for commercial use.
Why learn an IDE you won’t use anywhere else?
C# Devkit will do in a pinch but it’s still second class in VS Code compared to languages like TypeScript.
Since MS killed off MonoDevelop and Visual Studio is Windows only, it’ll be good to finally have a free proper C# IDE again on Linux.
I am kind of using intellij ideas for everything. They are just so much better.
I don’t think I would want to work for an employer that is too cheap for an IDE license
It’s not about cheapness, it’s about consistency.
You wanna set up different dev environments and process for every single language you or someone from your team might use? Oh we need documentation and a license for IDEA when we’re doing Java work, and PyCharm when we’re doing Python work, and WebStorm when we’re doing JavaScript work, or we just all use VSCode for everything.
I’ve worked on Java teams, Python Teams, JavaScript Teams, C# teams, and quite frankly, I’ve seen no major benefit to a dedicated IDE for that language vs just configuring VSCode plugins and CLI scripts.
We just have the ultimate license and can use all of the intellij IDEs, but you also can do everything with IDEA and some plugins. And I’m that car you still have the experience of a real IDE and not just a code editor.
Lol “real IDE”. Name the actual day to day feature(s) that makes it “real”. Just saying “you use a little bitch IDE, i use a real IDE” is not an argument.
Much better integrated refactoring support. Much better source code integration support. Much better integrated debugging support. Much better integrated assistive (but not ai) support.
Vscode can do many things IntelliJ can, but not all, and many of them require fiddling with plugins.
Usually, JB is also faster (if your dev machine can run it, but in my experience most devs have beefy machines).
Not my experience. I’ve had the displeasure of having to use Rider at work, and it’s much slower than VSCode, if only for boot times which are a pain in the butt for large projects. You gotta pay for that bloat and feature creep somehow.
And that’s on a Xeon machine.
As for refactoring, yes, Rider has lots of options that don’t work and do half the job. So much so, that I don’t use them at all, because they’re unreliable.
The requirement for Copilot to qualify an IDE is a bit funny. First, VSCode has some support for it, and, secondly, this is super recent, so unless IDEs didn’t exist since last year, I’d say this is not core to the definition of IDE.
They’re really not. As much as I hate commercial licensing for any dev tools, if you want to talk about superior there’s nothing quite as good as Visual Studio (not code) on Windows.
Sounds like a discussion about if someone likes apples or pears
I adore Visual Studio for how it set the gold standard for code editing. VsCode is growing rapidly, but Visual Studio set an incredibly high bar.
For anyone reading along, Visual Studio Community Edition was free and fantastic last time I tried it, and it does 99% of anything any individual developer cares about.
The paid professional license shines for big messy enterprise stuff, but most people looking for an editor don’t need to worry about that.
All that said, disclaimer for full honesty: my tool of choice is NeoVim - often with a splash of VSCodium.
I don’t actually use VS either mostly because I prefer to use a lighter editor and the commandline. But it does set a high bar for what an IDE should be.
That’s just your opinion, and your specific use case. I do not enjoy using Visual Studio, and MS no longer makes it for the Mac (the superior developer platform (see what I did there?)). JetBrains products have their weaknesses but they are damn good.
Visual Studio for Mac was never the real Visual Studio it was a reskin of Xamarin Studio.
Ok. Thanks for the info I guess. I don’t like Visual Studio on Windows. I use it for work and it’s not better than Rider or any of the JetBrains ides.
It really depends on what kind of project you’re working on. For .NET projects that might be true, but for other languages such as anything involving C++ then Visual Studio lags way behind CLion, which is multiplatform to boot.
Why would you use a library or framework when you can code everything from scratch? It probably depends on how good the VSCode extension is vs how bad the IDE is.
For the languages I have tried (mostly GoLang plus a bit of Terraform/Terragrunt), VSCode plugins can do code highlighting, can highlight syntax and lint errors, can navigate to a methods implementation, the auto-complete seems to pick random words from the code base, and can find the callers for a method. It is good enough for every day use.
IDEs I have used (Eclipse for Java, PyCharm, InteliJ for Kotlin) offer more. They all have starter templates for common file types. The auto-complete is much more syntax aware and can sometimes guess what variables I intend to pass in as arguments. There is refactoring which can correctly find other usages of a variable and can make trivial code rewrites. There are generators for boilerplate methods. They all have a built in graphical debugger and a test runner.
There’s also Zed. It’s still pretty new and barebones but I like it a lot more than Code or anything else.
same here, i was using RustRover before that and it was slow on my laptop, i also had to create an account to use it. Zed is pretty much plug n play
Zed is also lightspeed fast compared to either vscode or JetBrains’ stuff.
Jetbrains licenses are like £100 a year. What commercial project isn’t able to cover that cost.
I’m just hopping the price won’t rise in return.
Yet I’m not going back to eclipse.
They give incremental discounts each time you renew so even if the price increases you’ll probably find you’re spending less each time.
I’ve been on the lower price forever as I had a licence from before the switch.
It’s already expensive. And having a comercial option that is affordable for normal people rather than $$$ entreprise would be good. Quitte a few paying of their own because their entreprise won’t.
I would expect it to rise. I still think it’s worth it, if it’s a good tool for you. IntelliJ is really a good product, even if they do have their downsides. In a commercial environment, it’s totally worth it to buy a licence per developer, if it makes them more productive.