Yeah, Lemmy is crazily echo-chambered. If you don’t actively shit on Elon for absolutely everything he does (be it good or bad) you get downvoted and called a bigot.
Why can’t people be normal and shit on Elon for bad stuff and praise him for good stuff.
There is not a single person in the world that is 100% good or 100% bad - everyone is on the spectrum and even the worst people have certain good aspects (and the best people have shit aspects).
EDIT: I sometimes feel like I could write a full-on essay about how Elon sucks and it would still get downvoted into oblivion just cuz I said like one positive thing about him in it.
I would agree that some of his businesses are doing well, but I would give more credit to the scientists and engineers making it happen. We found out shortly after the election that he had almost no involvement in SpaceX lately in fact.
He does get some credit for actually gathering those people and starting the companies sure, however all the insane things he’s done and is doing have really heavily undercut all of it for most people, myself included. I was a fan of his until he completely without evidence accused some diver of being a pedophile just because they didn’t want to use his awful “submersible” to rescue those Thai children years back.
Do you honestly believe SpaceX, Neuralink, Tesla etc. would be where they are today if it wasn’t for Elon?
If you say yes - I’m sorry but you have no idea what you on about.
Did I said that? I am just pointing out about the companies origin because I don’t understand how this misinformation keep spreading still and with so many resources about it. I guess it is true that “A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes”.
But in any case I will answer your loaded question. No I don’t think his companies would be where they are today, because Elon has one thing that he was good at, and it is hyping, marketing, creating a narrative, a lore, and creating a fan base. An example is this lore that he created about his companies origins, it was always known but he kept it from the public discourse for many years and created his persona of nerdy genius that everything he touches turns to gold. And in a way that is true, because it was his performance and hype that keep his companies invested whilst many other would have investments puled off, even with constant mised deadlines, with his wild claims that “X will be a reality in N months” that never come to reality, this would tank the trust, public perception and capital of maybe any other company but for him, the personality cult he so careful cultivated kept people invested, kept the mantra “trust Elon”. And that was what kept his companies, especially Tesla in the green.
And I think part of this success is his image of kinda awkward nerd genius, which makes it easy for people to trust him and keep listening to him even after his promises failing to materialize, I guess because Elon is “Not like others CEO”, “he is smart, he know what he is doing”, “he is an engineer guy, not a business CEO, so he is not lying through his teeth, there is a reason” and so forth.
And he lost his magic, his ability to keep this image was lost some point before he bought Twitter but I guess that does not matter anymore, because this amount of money just perpetuates itself at some point and now he also has a new source of fan base in the political right that is not based on the old image of the nerdy genius and instead on the old and tried conservative grift of inflammatory and tribalistic discourse.
He is doing so, so, so much.
If we didn’t have Elon to manage all these companies - they would be nowhere near where they are today.
It’s a no-brainer fact.
Exactly, I hate him for who he is and most of what he does but the $100million USD contest to sequester carbon permanently is a fantastic thing to sponsor as we must remove carbon from the cycle and not just store it in trees.
And my point is proven. You literally said you hate him but you still got downvoted cuz you mentioned some good about him.
I’m serious! This is a helluva echo chamber. They literally downvoted you for not hating him hard enough. It’s comical!
The sad part is I bet most who downvoted me don’t understand how critically important carbon sequestering is. We can’tjust plant trees. We need to permanently remove all of the carbon from the cycle that has been introduced since industrialization began.
I haven’t looked into it deeply so I don’t really know how important it is but I know one thing: Lemmy people would rather see double the CO2 than admit Elon has positive aspects.
I’m up voting you simply because I think it’s brave to say that on Lemmy 😅
Yeah, Lemmy is crazily echo-chambered. If you don’t actively shit on Elon for absolutely everything he does (be it good or bad) you get downvoted and called a bigot.
Why can’t people be normal and shit on Elon for bad stuff and praise him for good stuff. There is not a single person in the world that is 100% good or 100% bad - everyone is on the spectrum and even the worst people have certain good aspects (and the best people have shit aspects).
EDIT: I sometimes feel like I could write a full-on essay about how Elon sucks and it would still get downvoted into oblivion just cuz I said like one positive thing about him in it.
I’m struggling to think of good stuff to praise him for.
I mean, he is pushing a lot of good tech forward. He is also fighting against bureaucracy and for freedom of speech.
I would agree that some of his businesses are doing well, but I would give more credit to the scientists and engineers making it happen. We found out shortly after the election that he had almost no involvement in SpaceX lately in fact.
He does get some credit for actually gathering those people and starting the companies sure, however all the insane things he’s done and is doing have really heavily undercut all of it for most people, myself included. I was a fan of his until he completely without evidence accused some diver of being a pedophile just because they didn’t want to use his awful “submersible” to rescue those Thai children years back.
The pedo incident was lame, but you ditched Elon just for that??
He didn’t start any of his companies, he just bought all of them (maybe the exception is the boring company)
Do you honestly believe SpaceX, Neuralink, Tesla etc. would be where they are today if it wasn’t for Elon? If you say yes - I’m sorry but you have no idea what you on about.
Did I said that? I am just pointing out about the companies origin because I don’t understand how this misinformation keep spreading still and with so many resources about it. I guess it is true that “A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes”.
But in any case I will answer your loaded question. No I don’t think his companies would be where they are today, because Elon has one thing that he was good at, and it is hyping, marketing, creating a narrative, a lore, and creating a fan base. An example is this lore that he created about his companies origins, it was always known but he kept it from the public discourse for many years and created his persona of nerdy genius that everything he touches turns to gold. And in a way that is true, because it was his performance and hype that keep his companies invested whilst many other would have investments puled off, even with constant mised deadlines, with his wild claims that “X will be a reality in N months” that never come to reality, this would tank the trust, public perception and capital of maybe any other company but for him, the personality cult he so careful cultivated kept people invested, kept the mantra “trust Elon”. And that was what kept his companies, especially Tesla in the green.
And I think part of this success is his image of kinda awkward nerd genius, which makes it easy for people to trust him and keep listening to him even after his promises failing to materialize, I guess because Elon is “Not like others CEO”, “he is smart, he know what he is doing”, “he is an engineer guy, not a business CEO, so he is not lying through his teeth, there is a reason” and so forth.
And he lost his magic, his ability to keep this image was lost some point before he bought Twitter but I guess that does not matter anymore, because this amount of money just perpetuates itself at some point and now he also has a new source of fan base in the political right that is not based on the old image of the nerdy genius and instead on the old and tried conservative grift of inflammatory and tribalistic discourse.
he’s doing none of that
He is doing so, so, so much. If we didn’t have Elon to manage all these companies - they would be nowhere near where they are today. It’s a no-brainer fact.
Exactly, I hate him for who he is and most of what he does but the $100million USD contest to sequester carbon permanently is a fantastic thing to sponsor as we must remove carbon from the cycle and not just store it in trees.
And my point is proven. You literally said you hate him but you still got downvoted cuz you mentioned some good about him. I’m serious! This is a helluva echo chamber. They literally downvoted you for not hating him hard enough. It’s comical!
The sad part is I bet most who downvoted me don’t understand how critically important carbon sequestering is. We can’tjust plant trees. We need to permanently remove all of the carbon from the cycle that has been introduced since industrialization began.
I haven’t looked into it deeply so I don’t really know how important it is but I know one thing: Lemmy people would rather see double the CO2 than admit Elon has positive aspects.