Only to be CEO of a massive capitalist company.

I’ve heard a few tales of some CEO’s (of very small companies) here in the Nordics actually being generous to their employees. Like it’s most definitely a rarity, but I believe it is possible.

Like a CEO who values profits but values employees and paying their fair share more and isn’t blinded by greed and addicted to money. A socialist, literally. A market socialist, but a socialist nonetheless.

Everyone could have their basic needs met, and we could still have rich people. Just not filthy rich, not “rich-to-the-point-no-one-else-has-anything” rich.

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You’re a mod and didn’t like the reply so you deleted it.

And you pretend you don’t know what I mean when I say some vegans get upset and have issues with replying to these arguments, lol.

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Why do people call it preaching?

Because despite it being logical to a point, usually the ones who wish to talk about can’t actually explain the rationale for some of the more extremely ends of the philosophy.

I’m completely against industrial meat farming, but for instance game meat from deer that were killed for deer management?

Obviously a vegan will take the position that “eating meat is wrong, you’re killing just for pleasure” usually. Which obviously isn’t true, as there’s no “just for pleasure”, becsuse we’re not talking about trophy hunting, but deer management, which is crucial and without which a lot of animals (and humans) would end up sick, suffering and dying as the ecosystem would overpopulate with deer, leading to a cascade of bad consequences, destroying the environment and the animals in it.

I support vegan products and consider myself a flexitarian, but I do also consume the occasional meat product. Preferably when it’s cruelty free game meat.

Sheep are also another thing. Unless we plan to systematically eradicate the species, then we must tend to some sheep at least, which will mean shearing them, as that’s required for their health. So then we end up with wool. Should that wool not be used? Would it be cruel to use that wool?

That of course again doesn’t mean I’m not fervently against the horrible practices of the large sheep industry. It’s just a question of “can’t you see the eventual problems that taking a position so extreme would yield?”

And questioning these things can upset people, as it’d require flexing the ideology a bit, and that’s something a lot of fervent vegans seem to have issues with. Which is apparent through say, using words like “carnist” to describe anyone who isn’t 100% vegan. Almost in the same way dogmatic religions call anyone disagreeing “a heretic”.

In the same way that monotheistic Abrahamic religions are, most of the “fighting” rhetoric of vegans is very much dogmatic.

Afaik, high internet speed requires higher frequencies and high frequencies reach less far + have less penetration through/around obstacles. That’s what makes providing “4g” virtually everywhere easy (good enough for phone calls at least), but if they want to provide actual high speeds everywhere, then it suddenly becomes not so easy (nor cheap).

Why are you putting “4g” in quotes? It is 4g. Basic cellular networks cover the entire country, and using 4g speeds has been common for a long time. Hell, back when I was in the army, I had a laptop with a mobile connection. It was 3g back then, but it worked, even from the deepest of woods we were in.

The terrain of Finland probably makes this easier for us, as this is a rather flat country. We have literally no mountains. A few fells (=large hill, essentially) , but no mountains.

I wish I had a good answer, but I don’t, really.

Probably a combination of just providing a service and having good technology to do so and companies which want to sell said technology, I guess?

Everyone enjoys the internet. I might be assuming, but the sort of “if you want services, move to a city” sort of rhetoric that might exist somewhere in the US doesn’t really exist for us Finns. We understand wanting to live in the middle of the woods while still having access to basic services.

The Northern part is very sparsely populated, yeah (well not compared to some other places in the middle of huge states in the US but) something like two people per square kilometer, but rural living is pretty common throughout the country, so the whole country understands the need for them, perhaps?

Also, I think a lot of the towers are older towers for just 2g, going back from GSM to NMT, those towers always just being updated with newer technology, again perhaps? (I’m too lazy to research this now.) And the need to have just cellular networks to be able to call emergency services if you’re lost deep in the woods has always been a pretty high priority, I think?

The only places you maybe can’t get cell reception in Finland are some places in the middle of a few national parks in Lapland.

We Finns don’t have any of those pesky mountains.

~75% of the country is forest, so it’s kinda hard to not be in a forest.

Idk if they’re closely packed.

https://elisa.fi/kuuluvuus/

Coverage map.

Yeah since most people don’t live in the parts of the country no-one lives in, when looking at how many people are covered, it gets pretty good. And we didn’t take long to get 5g to a lot of people.

Here’s a coverage map from Elisa. https://elisa.fi/kuuluvuus/

Huh. TIL.

But these are sort of not that good indicators, because the US has huge population centers on the coasts, and nothing in the vast center.

I remind you that it’s the remaining 3% of the country, physically. It’s not 3% of the population. It’s just some places in Lapland which don’t have the greatest coverage. And the 97% figure is 4g, 3g has better coverage.

The Northern part of Finland is very sparsely populated and people like internet and cables are very labour-intensive compared to setting up mobile network towers.

But yeah, compared to the US, we’re not really that sizable. We’re like the size of Montana or so, and they’ve around a fifth of our population.

tldr Yeah, it is about the size, but also, with Nokia and so on, we’ve sort of quite a lot of good know-how on building wireless networks. We’re the most sparsely populated country in the EU, but I think there’s quite a lot of Spain where there’s much worse coverage.

Might I enquire as to where this remote location might be?

Like on a general basis, no need for addresses.

As a Finn I’m forever spoiled in terms of wireless coverage. We got tons of solitary forests. But you can get an internet connection in literally all of them.

97% of the country gets 4g. And not of the people. The country.

Second one is pretty exactly dusk, yeah. Or 8 minutes after, technically.

The first one is dawn. Two hours apart and apparently in the same place, more or less.

And Uusimaa would fit, yeah, but I’m in Varsinais-Suomi. Same thing latitude wise though, but dawn and dusk are two minutes earlier in Helsinki than in Turku.

I’ve severe sleep problems.

I live on a quite a northern latitude. Finland, but the very southern end of it. (The Arctic circle only starts about at the most northern 1/3 of Finland)

I’ll upload two pictures, taken from the same spot at different times.

Which one is later, which is earlier? One is taken at 00.30 and one at 2.30. No peeking at the exif data before guessing.

Sunset or sunrise?

Couldn’t tell you, as we don’t really have those in the way you do.

I don’t, unfortunately.

I’m a shell of a human, haven’t been properly employed for some years, never managed a “normal” schedule or any kind of routine really. I used to have a shift job, but then that became impossible to do as well. In the army I got myself a role that allowed me to shift my personal schedules quite a bit.

But yeah, no, it has ruined my life and ever since I told tve doctors I tried weed as a coping strategy (for sleeping and eating, it’s good), I can’t really get any help from the public doctors, since I live in such a backwards country that weed is still comparable to doing iv-opiates basically.

I take melatonin and zolpidem. Melatonin around midnight so it would always be the same but ambien when I go to bed.

Doesn’t really help.

If I lived ina country with less social secvurity, like the US, I probably would’ve ended up on the streets several years ago. I’d probably have killed myself or some other people by this point.

Now I’m just a wreck of a person waiting of some moronic bureaucratic bullshit while everyone else gets to have a life and I don’t.

Tbf mine might be “non-24 and not just a delayed sleep-phase”, but despite me now having actual sleep data from more than 6 months, I can’t even get the sleep studies place to accept my doctors referral there. Makes me so fking angry I’m gonna have a seizure again

The whole episodic vs serialised thing was pretty much during that time.

It’s pretty obvious from the shows of the era.

House, for one. Earlier seasons being rather strictly episodic, and last season being a serialised joke about how ridiculous the rigid episodic nature of the earlier seasons were. Not ecactly, but…

Mark Maron bit

Haaaallleluujah

Yes I understood the joke. Just making discussion.