Its been two or three years now since i dipped out, the way you describe using the ‘don’t recommend’ and ‘not interested’ options seems to have a clearer result than when i last used them. If they’ve changed that functionality in the meantime i’m glad.

Yeah, some of peoples suggestions here are good. I liked that user who only looks at their subscribed channels tab, if i ever go back maybe i’d try that. Though the only youtuber i miss is adamsomething, one day i might jump onto his patreon.

Oh cool, reminds me of the C&C underground missions in Red Alert, taking Tanya through the base. I always took so long with those missions, but i’m a natural turtler.

What are the two communities?

I only ask out of general interest as its such a specific number, if you’re not comfortable sharing, don’t feel obliged.

I’m going to give you an argument describing why i think you’re correct but also why you’re getting pushback. I’m basing this off the greek discursive appeal structures i’ve been reading about lately, because its fun to try to apply them here.

Firstly, if people say its a great ‘scientific study’ where you hear it, correct them. Its sad but thats often all we can reasonably do. If they refer to it as a great study in humanity, then maybe it is. After all Supersize Me was about the mostly unconsidered and wildly successful upselling technique that had passed into the culture of the time. So, what does that say about us?

Pathos

Supersize Me is an exercise mostly based on an appeal to Pathos. An argument based around an emotional appeal.

My stab at the key emotional switch employed would be turning the blasé attitude around the then common, comfortable upselling practice “would you like that supersized?”, to a feeling of angst when those words are spoken. I think Supersize Me was largely successful in that appeal.

Emotional switch: Blasé->Angst.

I found Michael Moore’s documentary styles also relied heavily on Pathos. So maybe the style was de rigeur at the time.

The big question is, did these documentary makers pass from persuasion into manipulation? This is the same as the question your asking when refering to his undisclosed alcoholism during filming. Which is why i think you’re argument that the documentary wasn’t fairly done is right. Theres a manipulation at its heart.

But that doesn’t defeat the very real effects that emotional switch from blasé->angst about the practice had.

So a successful but manipulative documentary?

Logos

The argument i read in your comments assumes the documentary should primarily appeal to logos. Or a persuasion tactic based in logic. No controlled experiments for example.

While there are probably plenty of examples of this throughout the documentary, I wouldn’t say this is the primary appeal he relies on.

The obvious conclusions of the poor diet is a good example of an appeal to logos. But not very persuasive on its own, because no one needed to watch it to draw the conclusion that poor diets equal poor health. At least most didn’t.

Another thought,

Its a documentary, its not necessarily an exercise in absolute honesty. Few documentaries can claim such an authoritative place.

I think its maybe why Louis Theroux has belatedly become so highly respected. Not because he was authoritative in the beginning, but so much of what he presented has since been borne out. Maybe his documentary series matched the changing realisations of the times, so have had a kind of Kairos?

Only a communist deals in absolutes! … wait… thats not it…

Oh nice! Over here in Perth the State Gov just had all Summer with all the Museums free. It was cool, no matter who, you just kinda walked in. They’ve recently redone the main museum ‘Boola Bardip’ its a pretty incredible place now. Didn’t see much war stuff, but i’s flying through it with a kid, so there were whole floors we missed.

Wow! The Mary Rose… you just sent me down memory lane. I hadn’t thought about that ship in decades. So i saw that ship when it was still going through that water treatment business. Blew my mind then, i’s really young at the time.

And now i realise i’ve been to Portsmouth, we were staying over in Eastbourne at the time.

The trip was full of museums and castle visits all over the south of England at least between Battle and Tintagel. So we could easily have been to the Explosion museum as well. I’ll have to dig out the old scrap books and see if somethings written in them about it.

The years ticket to all of those sounds like a great way to spend some weekends, get to enjoy the harbour as well.

Explosion Museum of Naval Firepower

Wtf its an actual place! The name sounds so ridiculous i’s not sure if you were havin a laugh or not. :)

I don’t want a fucken culture war between the generations like what happened with baby boomers. Gen X forward are all fine by me, live your life, be conscientious of other people and where they’re at in life, and for shits sakes lets be open to changing our societies based on different generational challenges. The generational wars were always stoked by cynical conservative bread and circuses propaganda, fuck em, stop paying them attention.

He bought it because he was going to be forced to https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-did-elon-musk-agree-080448660.html

I really dislike how this fact is being forgotten. There is no ‘big brain’ conspiracy going on here he got caught out making an offer that he didn’t actually mean to be taken seriously. The rest has been making the best, for himself, of a bad situation.

Also this article only gets to the really interesting question in the last twenty words or so. ‘Why are people still on there?’ Thats the analyses good journalists could be focusing on.

Maybe its supposed to be, “Out with the teapot in with the mug”?

Look random people on the street might find it a fun interlude to their day :) I know you weren’t completely though due to the personal example you referred to a couple comments back.

However, you didn’t specify a method, said brother-in-law enters into the political discussions. From an outsider’s perspective, (me), there was no indication.

Also,

will also

I used these words in my first reply, not to deny your experience, but to add to it. The general nature of the word,

people,

in that part of your comment followed by an absolute statement spurred my entry. I think it’s important to highlight varied reasons people have for doing the same things.

You spoke in one part of the comment generally, the other part specifically. My reply attempted to accept your specific experience, while engaging in the general discussion indicated about ‘general people’ happening alongside it.

While i find your derogatory comments about concussed goldfish disappointingly predictable, the point is by saying ‘both sides are the same’ or ‘both are as bad as the other’ isn’t really a political opinion.

Its a statement that withdraws from engaging in the differences in party positions on specific subject or policy positions by broad brushing them as the same.

For instance, a flounder might say to a butterfly fish, that, goldfish (concussed or not), are all the same, just to stop talking to the butterfly fish and get out of its reef! :)

Sometimes i find people will also use it as a ‘discussion shut down’ when they don’t want to get pulled into a larger conversation about politics.

They have their reasons, like knowing they have little knowledge on the subject, or knowing the person they’re talking to and not wishing to engage with them too heavily (i may be guilty of employing this tactic at times).

I really hope its a jury trial, and they prove to be very useful. Interesting strategy Google went for.

You may not be an AI fan, but i strongly suspect you’re an AI space heater.

Wonder if ads actually makes up for the difference or if it’s just under priced to push people towards it.

I reckon you guys are on the right track with your comments. Something to add in relation to why streaming services are introducing an ad tier. Introducing adverts introduces variable pricing for the streaming services. Meaning they can earn the same base rate, but for say the next season of Bridgerton, or one of their other really popular shows they can make a kind of ‘super profit’ by selling the ad space on top of their base rate per subscriber account.

Also, would they have, anything to talk about? … ‘cricket noises’…

Yeah no, of course. I understand. For me it’s a problem i never considered with all those stadiums. The worst the ones over here would get is like hail once a year, or a precipitation of Queenslanders every so often ;p

Yeah theres that comradery. “Tailgating with more sweat” thats such a vivid description lol! You need to be on these guys marketing team with lines like that.

$20/hour is actually a fairly reasonable hourly rate for the US isn’t it. I’m just going off min wage being $15 in a lot of States now