I have absolutely zero faith that the US government will side with people’s safety over a new toy for the oligarchs. And these companies are openly saying their whole business model is urban transportation. So they will be lobbying to change those laws as soon as they can, and, as we’ve seen with self-driving cars, it will be difficult to stop them.

This is exactly what terrifies me though. Cars are already incredibly dangerous. Now make them 5x as fast and more difficult to control, and allow them to go anywhere and imagine the carnage.

So critical you’ll be instantly banned for saying anything critical of Russian imperialism.

Sure, if you have total power over the media ecosystem. But we don’t.

So the question has to be asked–are you banning Zionism from the public square or simply exiling anti Zionism into a small echo-chamber where no one will hear it anymore and Zionism will go unchallenged? This is my problem with this approach.

Another user mentioned that feddit.org may have been consistently censoring anti-Zionist voices. If that’s true it would make this a lot more reasonable in my view. However the post doesn’t seem to explicitly make this claim, so I am curious if it’s true. It left me with the impression that they were defederating mainly due to the presence of some Zionist users on the instance, which seems a very excessive response when the ability to ban individual users exists.

Maybe… this is where I guess the instance rules get in the way because I’d like to know what exactly that looks like. Because it’s well known that communists and others tried to violently resist the Nazis in the lead up to the third reich. So you’d have to articulate how your strategy was different from what was tried and failed.

My reading of history is that sporadic violence is a very ineffective anti-fascist tactic.

OK, if that’s true then I what I’m saying here doesn’t apply.

Yeah I would agree with that. However there are a number of ml users who are very deserving of that treatment based on their individual behavior. But insofar as that’s used against other random users on the same instance it’s probably not appropriate.

What worked was the might of a multiple empires waging total war against one another. I don’t think any Lemmings have that power at their disposal.

Of course this only worked after tens of millions of deaths, so it wasn’t exactly the ideal solution even then.

Depends completely on the impacts of that decision. Zionism is the predominant viewpoint in my country, so if I were to refuse to ever be around them, I would be a complete shut in, which would be counter-productive to my larger political goals. Which include defeating Zionism.

But I don’t believe it’s true that this instance is full of zionists/nazis. The accusation seems to be that there are some users on it who are zionists.

Well there are many examples but yes.

Guilt by association is still stupid even if you come up with a different analogy for it.

Well I don’t think that’s very effective either but if we can’t have a discussion then we’ll just have to disagree.

It’s mostly marketing honestly. They’re both total ass.

Echo chambers make you stupid.

People love to criticize the marketplace of ideas and sure it’s imperfect… but what’s he alternative? Covering your ears and going lalalalala is even less effective than persuasion.

Let’s hope so.

This is meaningless. Arresting them after has the same effect, they’re just upset about the bad publicity of dragging grannies around public streets. This way they can effect the same arrests in private where there are no cameras.

Fuck the UK government, fuck Starmer.

They’ve always got more money to spend.

Oligarchy and democracy are fundamentally incompatible.

All these boycotts I can’t join since I never paid for them in the first place 😢

“For most users” the whole point here is to gradually get people used to having to show their papers to access the internet. We must accept nothing less than a total reversal here. Give them an inch each day and eventually they’ll have their mile.