Nothing burger.

Same. Last time I actually saw one on the wild in the US was 2018. I’ve actually seen more One Plus phones, which doesn’t exactly surprise me for some reason.

I’ve grown to hate the power button sensor on Moto’s because on many cases the cutout for the button is deep. Making it a pain in the ass to get good contact with the button for the sensor to read properly. Literally never have gotten it to read successfully on the first try since I’ve owned the phone with the case I use.

Yes, it’s technically a case problem, but it shouldn’t be on the friggin power button to begin with imo.

Correct.

I’m kinda the opposite. Wide phones always gave me hand cramps but that’s likely because I have smaller sized hands I guess.

I don’t use gesture navigation but in my experience, reducing the “Window Animation” or the “Transition Animation” speed (in developer settings) can greatly improve this. YMMV.

I’m curious, what’s the recourse here when this happens? Does Google make it right somehow when their own software bricks their own devices?

Or is just “Oops, our bad. Just buy a new one, best of luck!!”?

Does reflashing a ROM fix it? (aside from some data loss, of course)

That is pretty cool man.

That lack of competing isn’t because of price tho. The CCP has effectively convinced the population that Apple (US phones) are bad/untrustworthy, much like the US government has done regarding Huawei. There was a time when Apple had a decent (not great) marketshare in China.

Yeah, they’re just slinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. There’s no real thought put into anything these days. I’m very tired of the ‘Form over Functionality’ bs that’s being hidden behind fancy marketing.

I’m not convinced. This company has purposely avoided OS updates because it’s profitable to them. It causes people to buy their phones more frequently over a shorter period of time, thus offsetting the cheaper price they offer them at.

If this is true, I suspect we will see a noticeable increase of price on their phones and much less discounts.

Great discussion, BTW, man. I appreciate the back and forth. You were far more cival than me in this on a few things that is not lost on me.

Cheers.

Well there it is.

He’s either blocking them in the name of “user privacy” fighting the “good fight” or he’s refusing them because he’ll very likely be implemented, lawfully on the charges they want access over.

My point is, Telegram is done. It’s a rat trap at this point and anyone associated with it getting their info scraped - purposely.

That’s a pretty heft user base, there. GL.

Telegram, it’s “encryption” or lack thereof, whatever, is hiding behind it’s owner. And he’s got a what, $5 million dollar bond or something? The platform is being made an example of. And his kneck is on the chopping block.

If you think he won’t fold, you’re insane. The logs (yes, logs) will be handed over. Keys to encryption will be. Whatever it takes to gain 100% full access, will be given.

To think they won’t is purposeful, blatent, fanboyism. And to turn the conversation into a Telegram and Signal comparison is just… ugh.

Signal ain’t on trial here. Telegram isn’t even in the same area code as Signal in terms of security. But you already know that. Telegram is not, was not and never will be a secure, privacy centered messaging program.

And because it allowed some of its users to treat it like it is one, with nefarious intent, is why it’s going to burn in flames. And tbh, it should. People treated like it’s secure. When it was anything but. Reap it.

I’m well aware of what you’re getting at. I’m insulted you’d think I’m not. But at some point you have to look at the situation for what it is - in the moment.

Telegram has the very public, very purposeful eye of the government on it right now. That platform cannot hide behind it’s owner taking the high road. It will bend the knee or it will close it’s doors.

That’s where it is right now. That’s no choice at all for it’s users, obviously.

No argument here. I agree completely on that. It is stupid. Complete waste of hardware.

You know what, you’re absolutely right and I’m way off.

Idk why that didn’t click on my head. Nokia has been dead for ages.

Pretty neat. If for no other reason than “because I can”.

Who keeps a Moto phone for more than 2 or 3 years anyway? These are disposable devices because of the lack of software support. You buy one, and have it recycled in 2 years. Rinse and repeat.

Nobody should be buying Motorola phones for a long term device,obviously.

Isn’t there a bunch of heat over the owner (and by extension, the platform) from the government right now.

I don’t think I’d want to use a platform the government is so intent on getting a backdoor access to. Especially with the shit that “allegedly” is going on with Telegram.