Apple called Android a "massive tracking device" in an internal presentation
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An internal Apple presentation now made public by the Department of Justice shows just what the company thought of privacy on Android.

      • flipht@kbin.social
        2·
        11 months ago

        100%. Most business is just advanced sophistry at this point. Marketing and advertising serves a useful purpose for new products, when the market isn’t aware that it exists.

        But by quantity and cost, most advertising is just social manipulation and is effectively an extra drain on the economy.

    • mindlight@lemm.eeEnglish
      23·
      11 months ago

      Congratulations to you and the other 0.000000001% of Android users then.

      • /home/pineapplelover@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        I would like to think that the percentage of users who have grapheneOS is maybe 5% of the pixel population. I’m just pulling a number out of my ass right now but basically a lot of people who want the very best privacy and security go for graphene which is limited to only Pixels even though there are more cool phones like the fp5.

        • Avero@feddit.deEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Lineage is by far the most popular custom ROM and it has about 3.2 million active devices. Which is about nothing in comparison to 1.22 billion smartphones sold alone in 2022. Barely anyone uses third party ROMs.

  • Auzy@beehaw.orgEnglish
    1·
    11 months ago

    I used to sell apple gear at a reseller. They literally used to send messages to our customers for applecare.

    The difference is that Apple simply uses the data for it’s own benefit and competes against everyone (including people developing for their system)

      • Auzy@beehaw.orgEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Definitely not saying Google is any better.

        But don’t forget, Apple gets billions of dollars from Google too, to be default webpage… So they’re totally complicit, and in practice, they’re effectively selling your user data to google.

        The biggest issue with Apple has always been their dodgy marketing. 20 years ago, they were living off the incorrect claim that “MacOS can’t get Viruses”, and now, seems to be just as dodgy with privacy.

        • miss_brainfart@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          At the end of the day, being as big as they are makes both of them malicious, manipulative and exploitative per default, otherwise they wouldn’t be multi-billion or even trillion dollar companies in the first place.

  • interolivary@beehaw.orgEnglish
    1·
    11 months ago

    Well, it’s not like Apple doesn’t also collect pretty hair-raising information on you. Go digging through some of the sqlite databases on your machine and you’ll find eg. a social graph that even supports labels for things like political affiliations (I think this db was the one used by their ominously named “intelligence platform” service). Another db (which I think was for the knowledged daemon) has an incredibly detailed log of everything you do on your computer and phone, including eg. web URLs and millisecond granularity events on when you interact with your devices. Whether that social graph or all that other stuff ever leaves your devices is unknown (although eg. the knowledged stuff definitely does since I can see events for my phone on my laptop), but I wouldn’t count on it not being sent to Apple – regardless of what they claim.

    And yeah, sure, this is all to make “customer experience” better, but do you seriously believe that’s all they will be used for?

    Edit: and just as a side note, I’m not basing these claims on stuff I read online, but on actually having looked at the contents of those databases myself

      • interolivary@beehaw.orgEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Sure! ~/Library/IntelligencePlatform (associated with intelligenceplatformd) has a bunch with graph.db being the social graph, but with others like behaviors.db and eventLog.db also likely being relevant, and I think ontology.db was the one where they kept more information on the tags available for the social graph. ~/Library/Application\ Support/Knowledge/knowledgeC.db (associated with Spotlight’s knowledgeconstructiond, which I think used to be called knowledged in earlier versions) has the other stuff I mentioned.

        There’s also some system-level things in eg. /var/db/knowledgegraphd/ but I haven’t bothered looking into those yet because it’d require disabling SIP.

        • ElPussyKangaroo@lemdro.idEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Ok, I’m just gonna come out and say it - I messed up.

          I clearly have no idea what you’re saying, and I don’t even know why I expected anything even remotely simple to understand.

          I apologise for wasting your time, but thank you so much for this comment, however pointless it may seem now.

          • interolivary@beehaw.orgEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            Oh you didn’t waste my time at all, no worries. It’s not like copy-pasting those paths from my terminal was all that much work, and it’d definitely have been better if I’d included that info right from the start. Unfortunately I couldn’t give any blog posts etc as a source, because as I said it was all based on my own poking around in those databases, but at least I could say where the databases were so others could do some poking around of their own if they wanted to

    • brax@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      Yup, the logic people use to call Apple phones secure would put Fisher Price toy phones at the S-Tier of security.