• Psychodelic@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      lol. It’s funny cause we’re supposed to pretend the alternatives would’ve been better (i.e. Clinton, McCain, or Romney)

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        Or maybe that America is an evil empire that will commit atrocities regardless of who’s the president.

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          But it’s just Obama. Why not use the American flag or put USA somewhere?

          Sure he ramped up drone use… but like you said we would’ve done that regardless of who was president

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            Because he won a Nobel peace prize? It’s good to remind people that he isn’t a good person. Everyone likes to pretend he was “the only good president” or something. He did evil things too. Like “crimes against humanity” evil.

            The cartoon works because it plays on people’s preconceived notions of Obama.

            Also it’s possible the cartoon was drawn while he was president, in which case he would represent the US just as well as an American flag for purposes of a political cartoon.

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          Proven every single year. It’s not a new thing either. Look at the real non-revisionist history of “the war of 1812” and you’ll see how the US started some shit unprovoked yet again, got their asses handed to them like Vietnam, and had to retreat. Canadians/British burned down the US capital as a f-off symbol and then retreated. The US views that as a victory.

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            The US views the war of 1812 as a victory? In Canada we are taught it was a British victory. A white peace is typically considered a loss for the aggressor.

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              Yes. The US teaches they won it. I protested that using the textbooks of my parents from other commonwealth countries which were clearly not as revisionist. History teacher failed to recognize he was wrong. This is the type of propaganda Americans are exposed to all the time. I was fortunate enough to have most of my education outside the US and then proactive parents that didn’t let any of that propaganda BS fly.

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                That’s wild. How do they even claim victory? Like I said, they started a war with the hope of capturing territory, and no territory was captured when the peace was signed. How do you spin that as a win?

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                  Don’t worry, idk where this person was educated but there are plenty of states with actual education standards. I’m not a recent grad by any measure, but I was taught 1812 and Vietnam were absolute losses for the US.

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                  Read this for an example:

                  https://www.britannica.com/event/War-of-1812

                  Since you have an actual education and know that it was the US being a bully and trying to steal Ontario and Quebec when they thought the British were weak.

                  Notice how the encyclopedia (with American propaganda) it’s about trade violations. And the British stalled peace, then surrendered after being crushed in new Orleans. It’s Amazing how twisted Americans can make history.

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                    the Treaty of Ghent did not resolve the issues that had caused the war, but at that point Britain was too weary to win it, and the U.S. government deemed not losing it a tolerable substitute for victory. Nevertheless, many Americans became convinced that they had won the contest.

                    Did you read a different article from me? This one seemed pretty blunt on the subject of whether or not America won. It says the US chose to tolerate a white peace since they couldn’t win, yet many Americans delude themselves into calling it a victory. TBF though I just skimmed it and jumped to the end.

                    Also, the battle of New Orleans shouldn’t really be considered when deciding who won the war. The peace treaty had already been signed when the battle began.

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          It’s hilarious to me that you currently have eight downvotes for saying this. Just think, that’s eight people who are still bought-in to the lies they told us when we were children and the lies they tell TV-news viewers every day.

          I had to speak with someone at my job who had something that sounded like CNN blasting in the background the other day. What a depressing state of affairs.

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      I love what you goobers think the president does. What powers they do and don’t have. Stay classy.