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  • it still contains animal products

    It does? Assuming the replicator doesn’t get the matter it’s composing replicated “meat” from disassembled animals, what is it that makes replicated “meat” not dietarily vegan? Taste? Nutritional profile? Chemical indistinguishability?

    Is real world Impossible meat dietarily vegan? Could Impossible meat be made not dietarily vegan without actually using animal products in its manufacture? Maybe with nutrient fortification of some sort or a more sophisticated chemical process that produces proteins more chemically similar to meat proteins? Shaping the vegitable-derived matter into little muscle cell shapes? Adding gristle and fat?

    What about converting pure plant material into a whole living cow indistinguishable from a naturally bread/born cow, and then slaughtering, butchering, and griding it into ground “meat”?

    I dunno. I’m no vegan and I’m not sure if you are. Maybe among vegans, it’s an accepted consensus that Impossible is not dietarily vegan (though maybe morally vegan? Not sure.)

    I and a friend of mine were talking about the “paleo diet” at one point. The subject turned to paleo substitutes for dishes that were decidedly not paleo. Paleo breads, pastas, candy, etc. And he expressed a distaste for the entire idea of eating foods that approximate very not-paleo dishes, calling them “faileo”. Heh. I suppose one could say such foods are paleo in one sense and not the other. (Though if one were to discuss “moral paleo-ness” and “dietary paleo-ness”, I’m not sure which one they’d qualify as and which one not.) Maybe Impossible is similarly morally vegan but not dietarily vegan.






  • I wonder if there’s a way to prevent people from even knowing that two different votes came from the same user.

    What I outlined above should prevent anyone from knowing two different votes came from the same user… without specifically trying that user’s id on each. That’s what the salt (the comment/post id) is for.



  • TootSweet@lemmy.worldtoOpen Source@lemmy.mlIntroducing Lemvotes
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    Votes should be anonymous.

    I tend to agree, but the fact is that they aren’t anonymous. This tool just exposes the already-existing fact that Lemmy expressly does not guarantee anonymity for votes. The solution isn’t to not for the poster to not publish this tool. Believe me, such tools already exist in private even if none other than this one are published. Publishing this one only democratizes access to that information. (And not entirely, I don’t think. From what I’m seeing on the page, it looks like it still requires an admin account on an instance. Update: Actually, I’m not sure if it requires an admin account or not. Either way, though.) The solution is (if it’s possible) to make Lemmy itself protect voters’ anonymity.

    The reason why instances know who has up/down voted things (rather than only keeping an anonymized “total” for each post/comment) is so it can prevent double-voting.

    Maybe instead of usernames, the instances could store/trade… salted hashes of the usernames where the salt is the title or unique identifier of the post/comment being voted on? It wouldn’t be perfect, but it would allow the instance to figure out whether the currently-viewing or currently-voting user has already voted while also making it harder for anyone else to get that information. About the only way a tool could tell you exhaustively who had voted if that were how things worked that I can think of off hand is to try every username on Lemmy one-by-one until all the votes were accounted for.

    (Of course, malicious instances could still keep track of usernames or unique user ids who up/downvoted, but only on the instance on which the vote was cast. Also, one downside of this approach would be increased CPU usage. How much? Not sure. It might be trivial. Or maybe not. Dunno.)

    And there may be much better ways to do this. I haven’t really thought about it much. I also haven’t checked whether there is an open ticket asking for improved anonymity for votes already.

    (Also, full disclosure, all of the above was written after only an extremely brief skim of the linked page.)

    (One more edit. Something IHawkMike said led me to realize that the scheme I described above would allow instances to manipulate votes by just inventing hashes. Like, grabbing 512 bits of data from /dev/urandom and giving it to other instances as if it was a hash of a username or user id when, in fact, it’s not a hash of anything. Other instances wouldn’t be able to easily tell that it wasn’t the hash of a valid user id. I haven’t thought how to go about solving that yet. Maybe if it occurs to me, I’ll update this post.)





  • If Satan walked into the room you’re currently in right now and said “I’m here to collect your soul to torture for eternity as payment for the bigger dick I gave your great great great grandfather on this date in 1925 unless you can make me laugh in the next 30 seconds”, what would you do?







  • What would the “bot that finds bots larping as people” do exactly? Ban them? Block or mute them? File reports? DM an admin about them?

    If it’s just for pointing out suspected LLM-generated material, I think humans would be better at that than bots would be, and could block, mute, or file reports as necessary.

    Also, are you saying you intend to make a bot that posts LLM-generated drivel or a bot that detects LLM-generated drivel?



  • Whoever gave you that advice has sound judgement and good taste.

    I’d say start with TNG. DS9 is probably objectively “the best”, but I think TNG is a better “entry point” if that makes sense? I think if I’d started with DS9 before watching TNG, I’d start wishing not too far into DS9 that I’d seen TNG already. Voyager gets some flack, but it’s what I have the most nostalgia for.

    After Voyager, I think most of the shows are either “for the fans” (and contain tons of references that only established “fans” are going to get) or… kindof a pale imitation. If you really into Star Trek and run out of TNG, DS9, and Voyager to watch, by all means go on. (I’d probably do TOS next, honestly.) Discovery and Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks are great! But a lot of their charm (Discovery’s yet-another-fuck-up-of-Klingons notwithstanding) is about how they tie in to and reference the other shows more so than how they stand on their own.

    Enterprise was… not my favorite. It was nice that it answered some questions other series left open, but they spent a lot of the show trying their hardest not to be Star Trek in ways that I say detracted from the experience. I’d say watch it before you watch Lower Decks, but aside from that, I don’t think it’s really worth watching unless you’re that level of fan already.

    Oh, and the movies are amazing. Honestly, it might be good to watch the TOS cast movies before moving on from TNG to DS9. My favorite of all the Star Trek movies (and it’s not an TOS cast movie) is First Contact.

    So, I guess if I were to recommend an order:

    • TNG
    • All the movies in release order, though the Chris Pine movies are optional at this point. I’d also skip Section 31 until later.
    • DS9
    • Voyager
    • TOS
    • Discovery
    • Section 31
    • Brave New Worlds
    • Enterprise
    • Lower Decks
    • The Chris Pine movies if you’re still in the mood
    • The Animated Series
    • Then start watching non-official/non-canon stuff like Star Trek Renegades and Star Trek Continues

    Anywhere in that progression that you decide to stop, I’d say you’ll have gotten the most impact you could have gotten from the portion you’ve already watched.

    But of course, that’s just my take! The other opinions in this thread are all valid as well!