Pro-Israel activists and MPs called for Elmasry to be banned before Home Secretary Shabana Mahmoud's decision

The UK has banned a prominent American Muslim preacher from entering the country over social media posts in which he criticised the West’s support for Israel.

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood revoked travel authorisation for Dr Shadee Elmasry just days before he was scheduled to arrive in Britain on Sunday, to give talks in Birmingham, Bolton and Ilford.

Elmasry had posted: "They are all in this (fake or real) state of shock that the people of Gaza finally punched back (after 50 years).

“In contrast, the very same people would celebrate a similar kind of attack from Ukraine against Putin.”

        • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
          32·
          27 days ago

          This is written in the context of persecution/defensive war, hence the mention of dominance and being struck first (like, the whole Surah is, it even talks about how some believers should act as guards while prophet Muhammad is doing the recitation in case shit happens) and it’s as noble as it could be. It’s basically what would and should happen if, for whatever reason, Palestinians had an upper hand over the Western colony called Israel: grant the unbelievers protection if they surrender and seek it (cause they’re not attacking you anymore), have cordial and fair dealings with those of the unbelievers who have acted righteously with you, fight those who corrupt the land and seek to dominate you even if you don’t want to because you’re afraid simply because it’s right…

          I don’t understand what the problem is. It even says “take the (no longer combative) polytheists to a place of safety, for these are ignorant people”. Could you imagine how much nicer the world would be if everyone conducted themselves this way in war? And, again, prophet Muhammad and his OG followers were persecuted (like prophet Isa and his OG followers, of course, these things happen all the time), that’s the whole setting of these passages…

          PS.: okay, you posted this because it follows your previous post where you said the Qur’an said it’s “okay to murder those who disagree with you”, but THE PICTURES YOU POSTED HERE disagree with you. Come on, man. The whole point of belief is that you cannot force it on anyone, people do it out of free will. And Surah 109 states it pretty clearly: “O rejecters, I do not serve what you serve nor do you serve what I serve, nor will I serve what you serve nor will you serve what I serve. To you is your religion/system, and to me is mine.” COME ON, MAN. 😔

          • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
            31·
            26 days ago

            It literally says to only allow “polytheists” to travel freely within the borders of an Islamic nation for four months. It says to take them away to attempt to convert them to Islam “so that he may hear the words of allah”

            Could you explain what Jizya is?

            • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
              11·
              25 days ago

              Nobody can “convert you to Islam”, you either submit to God or you don’t, and if you don’t (and that might mean not believing in giving charity and simply sharing from what God gives you, forgiving debts, believing charging interest is a sin, etc., which is what Muslims already do), you pay tax. You wouldn’t have had to defend the incipient and persecuted Muslim community that the message of God was meant for through prophet Muhammed either, because you know, you don’t want to submit to God/“convert to Islam” so what do you care? And you’re not being forced. And this is after losing a war/battle these people started! Seems more than fair to me. 🤷

              I’ll leave you with this: "And they only divided after the knowledge had come to them, due to resentment among themselves. And had it not been for a predetermined decision from your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, those who inherited the Book after them are full of doubts.

              For that, you shall preach and be upright, as you have been commanded, and do not follow their wishes. And say: “I believe in all that God has sent down as a Book, and I was commanded to be with justice between you. God is our Lord and your Lord. We have our deeds and you have your deeds. There is no argument between us and you. God will gather us all together, and to Him is the ultimate destiny.” (42:14-15)

              See ya around. ❤️👋

              • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
                2·
                25 days ago

                and that might mean not believing in giving charity and simply sharing from what God gives you, forgiving debts, believing charging interest is a sin, etc.

                Christians generally do this apart from maybe the interest part- although it still isn’t really right to charge interest unfairly.

                you pay tax.

                Yeahhhh, that’s reason to be afraid of Islam. People don’t want an extra protection tax because they don’t follow Mohammed.

                You wouldn’t have had to defend the incipient and persecuted Muslim community that the message of God was meant for through prophet Muhammed either, because you know, you don’t want to submit to God/“convert to Islam” so what do you care? And you’re not being forced. And this is after losing a war/battle these people started! Seems 1. more than fair to me. 🤷

                Would Christians be allowed to evangelise in this society? Can a Muslim convert to a Christian without being murdered for it?

                We have our deeds and you have your deeds.

                The whole message of Christianity and Jesus as a whole is that you cannot work to gain heaven through deeds. By this logic, Buddhists and Hindus will also go to heaven because many of them are upright people.

                Isaiah 64:6

                We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

                • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  25 days ago

                  The only reason you believe the message of Jesus said that deeds, the Day of Judgment and Heaven are disassociated is Roman nonsense added on, and the original message can still be found in the Bible itself! And yes, why can’t they? Even so called atheists, and even Christians and Jews who “reject prophet Muhammad” (due to an ideological misunderstanding and not in spirit) might, because if they were righteous God could just understand their ideological differences as an honest skill issue, the result of the trauma of living under Western “Judeo-Christian values” and beliefs, further complicated by Western propaganda, and look past it. They say these things with their mouths but their hearts are closer to God than that of many so-called believers, after all. Is God not Merciful, Understanding? I wouldn’t be surprised if John Brown ended up in Heaven, I’d be more shocked if he weren’t there, for instance. I doubt Greta considers herself Muslim but she certainly does a lot of Muslim shit, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she goes to Heaven too. Again, you show me your faith without deeds and I’ll show you my faith through my deeds. 🤷

                  • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
                    2·
                    25 days ago

                    You know you just quoted James, right?

                    James 2:18-23

                    But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.

                    James - the Brother of Our Lord made it clear. Faith was completed by his works. His works justified him, and they only complimented his faith, essentially proving it. He still needed faith. The works didn’t save him, they just showed the regenerative Spirit of God within him, thus justifying him. You need walls, a roof and a foundation to build a house. A Christian looks like a house. If you had someone who thought they can save themselves, you’d have a house with no foundation, and it’ll quickly be swept away.

                    1 Corinthians 3:11-15

                    For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.