Also I find it a bit perplexing that you seem to suggest all emails carry the same weight (and that weight is nothing?). Within half a second I can easily look at a new email and tell if I can ignore it because they are sent to hundreds of people and doesn’t require my attention. In the same half a second I can tell if it’s from an individual, clearly making it something I should look at.
Maybe you’re so averse to email because you get far more of it than I do? I have a couple folders for automated notifications that automatically get sorted, but excluding those I probably only get like 30 work emails a week. Even after a vacation it’s not a lot of effort to go through the entire inbox.
I cannot believe I’m in the position of arguing in favor of emails mattering enough to reply to. I’m not even sure what your point is. Did I say that I love email? I simply said if we’re going to even have it, you should be able to get a damned response to one.
I’m not them but you seem to have different company cultures than the person you’re responding to and due to that you guys aren’t seeing eye to eye. I’m in the same boat as the other person.
My email is flooded with automated messages for workflows and company PR. Very rarely do I get something that needs my attention so email is like regular mail to me. We have other ways to ensure work (from outside my team) is completed and a priority to my team and email had been found to be lacking.
This means my company uses other tools to ensure requests are made aware to people without using email and we’re all good with it. I’m not saying that to say we have the best or right solution, just that our company found what’s best for us and maybe the other person isn’t articulating the same has happened for them.
So, I don’t know why everyone keeps thinking I like email. I don’t. And from what you said, it sounds like you need better folders and filters. I actually find GitHub email notifications useful after tuning my filters. Having said that 97% of emails are useless. I just don’t have a big issue with reading and responding to the occasional email if needed, and sending them to teammates that are in meetings all the time and miss slack messages. And the least those people can do is reply within a few days. It shouldn’t be so controversial. Like do you all think I’m lying when I say I’ve tried slacking them and never hear back? I do not understand this pushback
I’m not opposed to sending an email back either, but that’s not the method of communication we are used to at my place of work. Those emails are for interactions with outside entities most of the time. And email filters can work but just glancing at what I have every couple of days is enough to know I don’t need to worry about what’s going on in emails. They’re backup to other systems that are in place that will alert is to critical issues.
Again though, we don’t really have people miss slack messages. I’m suspecting this might be like the way some people say they use signal/Messenger/WhatsApp/SMS. People/companies just communicate differently and we just have different experiences within our lives. I posted my initial reply with that intent but I probably didn’t make that clear.
“A few days” is not a reasonable demand. Not looking at email more than once a week is an entirely legitimate approach to productivity. So is “email is not a legitimate way to contact me”.
They clearly mentioned the actual ways to get issues dealt with. “Just use tooling to make email not dogshit” is a step down from using tooling that isn’t dogshit to begin with.
Complaining about someone not using a shit heap of a productivity killer of a tool when they’ve made it clear that there are actually valid ways to communicate is a demand by definition.
It’s a demand that someone destroy their productivity to service your arbitrary bullshit.
Mental children may not understand that sending an “instant message” such as via slack is more of a demand than sending an email and expecting a response eventually.
It’s truly bizarre that you want to fight with me about this. Not only is your opinion weird, it means nothing to me since you were a rude weirdo about it. Thanks for letting me know how to interact with you in the future though.
Just no. It’s weird that you think everyone has to view email as something that simultaneously exists while not mattering for any purpose in the slightest. And it’s weird you think it’s suddenly a challenge to communicate if someone has the courtesy to let you reply later at your convenience. “Oh I can reply whenever? How about never motherfucker!”
Also I find it a bit perplexing that you seem to suggest all emails carry the same weight (and that weight is nothing?). Within half a second I can easily look at a new email and tell if I can ignore it because they are sent to hundreds of people and doesn’t require my attention. In the same half a second I can tell if it’s from an individual, clearly making it something I should look at.
Maybe you’re so averse to email because you get far more of it than I do? I have a couple folders for automated notifications that automatically get sorted, but excluding those I probably only get like 30 work emails a week. Even after a vacation it’s not a lot of effort to go through the entire inbox.
That half a second to check an email is a meaningful context switch that disrupts flow.
I cannot believe I’m in the position of arguing in favor of emails mattering enough to reply to. I’m not even sure what your point is. Did I say that I love email? I simply said if we’re going to even have it, you should be able to get a damned response to one.
My point is that expecting someone to read an email on your timetable is not reasonable because it is a massive, productivity burning distraction.
“my timetable”… My timetable is “attempt to make a production issue your priority at some point”. But sure, make your assumptions or whatever.
Somehow you missed that I used email over demanding their attention when It was convenient for me which was a choice to be respectful.
But don’t let me get in the way of your complexes
I’m not them but you seem to have different company cultures than the person you’re responding to and due to that you guys aren’t seeing eye to eye. I’m in the same boat as the other person.
My email is flooded with automated messages for workflows and company PR. Very rarely do I get something that needs my attention so email is like regular mail to me. We have other ways to ensure work (from outside my team) is completed and a priority to my team and email had been found to be lacking.
This means my company uses other tools to ensure requests are made aware to people without using email and we’re all good with it. I’m not saying that to say we have the best or right solution, just that our company found what’s best for us and maybe the other person isn’t articulating the same has happened for them.
So, I don’t know why everyone keeps thinking I like email. I don’t. And from what you said, it sounds like you need better folders and filters. I actually find GitHub email notifications useful after tuning my filters. Having said that 97% of emails are useless. I just don’t have a big issue with reading and responding to the occasional email if needed, and sending them to teammates that are in meetings all the time and miss slack messages. And the least those people can do is reply within a few days. It shouldn’t be so controversial. Like do you all think I’m lying when I say I’ve tried slacking them and never hear back? I do not understand this pushback
I’m not opposed to sending an email back either, but that’s not the method of communication we are used to at my place of work. Those emails are for interactions with outside entities most of the time. And email filters can work but just glancing at what I have every couple of days is enough to know I don’t need to worry about what’s going on in emails. They’re backup to other systems that are in place that will alert is to critical issues.
Again though, we don’t really have people miss slack messages. I’m suspecting this might be like the way some people say they use signal/Messenger/WhatsApp/SMS. People/companies just communicate differently and we just have different experiences within our lives. I posted my initial reply with that intent but I probably didn’t make that clear.
You keep saying “a few days”.
“A few days” is not a reasonable demand. Not looking at email more than once a week is an entirely legitimate approach to productivity. So is “email is not a legitimate way to contact me”.
They clearly mentioned the actual ways to get issues dealt with. “Just use tooling to make email not dogshit” is a step down from using tooling that isn’t dogshit to begin with.
You seem pretty childish too, unable to tell the difference in an expectation and a “demand.”
Complaining about someone not using a shit heap of a productivity killer of a tool when they’ve made it clear that there are actually valid ways to communicate is a demand by definition.
It’s a demand that someone destroy their productivity to service your arbitrary bullshit.
Mental children may not understand that sending an “instant message” such as via slack is more of a demand than sending an email and expecting a response eventually.
It’s truly bizarre that you want to fight with me about this. Not only is your opinion weird, it means nothing to me since you were a rude weirdo about it. Thanks for letting me know how to interact with you in the future though.
Just no. It’s weird that you think everyone has to view email as something that simultaneously exists while not mattering for any purpose in the slightest. And it’s weird you think it’s suddenly a challenge to communicate if someone has the courtesy to let you reply later at your convenience. “Oh I can reply whenever? How about never motherfucker!”