I have mixed feelings about this prosecution of ai deepfakes.
Like obviously people should have protection against becoming a victim of such and perpetrators should be held accountable.
But the line “feds are currently testing whether existing laws protecting kids against abuse are enough to shield kids from AI harms” would be a incredibly dangerous precedent because those are mostly designed for actual physical sex crimes.
As wrong as it is to create and distribute ai generated sex imagery involving non consenting people it is not even remotely as bad as actual rape and distributing real photos.
I don’t think you’re on the right track here. There are definitely existing laws in most states regarding ‘revenge porn’, creating sexual media of minors, Photoshop porn, all kinds of things that are very similar to ai generated deep fakes. In some cases ai deepfakes fall under existing laws, but often they don’t. Or, because of how the law is written, they exist in a legal grey area that will be argued in the courts for years.
Nowhere is anyone suggesting that making deepfakes should be prosecuted as rape, that’s just complete nonsense. The question is, where do new laws need to be written, or laws need to be updated to make sure ai porn is treated the same as other forms of illegal use of someone’s likeness to make porn.
Creating and distributing anything should be legal if no real person suffers during its creation and if it’s not intended at defamation, forgery, such things.
Bruh how is creating and distributing a non-consensual nude-ified picture of a young girl not a cause for suffering for the victim? Please, explain that to the class.
Did you just not go to school as a kid? If so, that would explain your absolute ineptitude on this topic. Your opinion is some real “your body, my choice” kind of energy.
There’s a legitimate discussion to be had about harm reduction here. You’re approaching this topic from an all-or-nothing mindset but there’s quite a bit of research indicating that’s not really how it works in practice. Specifically as it relates to child pornography the argument goes that not allowing artificial material to be created leads to an increase in production of actual child pornography which obviously means more real children are being harmed than would be if other forms were not controlled in the same fashion. The same sort of logic could be applied to revenge porn, stolen selfies, or whatever else we’re calling the kind of thing this article is referring to. It may not be an identical scenario but I still think it would be fair to say that an AI generated image is not as damaging as a real one.
That is not to say that nothing should be done in these situations. I haven’t decided what I think the right move is given the options in front of us but I think there’s quite a bit more nuance here than your comment would indicate.
I think this is probably a really good point. I have no issue with AI generated images, although obviously if they are used to do an illegal thing such has harassment or defamation, those things are still illegal.
I’m of two minds when it comes to AI nudes of minors. The first is that if someone wants that and no actual person is harmed, I really don’t care. Let me caveat that here: I suspect there are people out there who, if inundated with fake CP, will then be driven to ideation about actual child abuse. And I think there is real harm done to that person and potentially the children if they go on to enact those fantasies. However I think it needs more data before I am willing to draw a firm conclusion.
But the second is that a proliferation of AI CP means it will be very difficult to tell fakes from actual child abuse. And for that reason alone, I think it’s important that any distribution of CP, whether real or just realistic, must be illegal. Because at a minimum it wastes resources that could be used to assist actual children and find their abusers.
So, absent further information, I think whatever a person whats to generate for themselves in private is just fine, but as soon as it starts to be distributed, I think that it must be illegal.
It may not be an identical scenario but I still think it would be fair to say that an AI generated image is not as damaging as a real one.
“The deepfakes are often used to extort, harass or bully minors, she says, and are easy to make because of the many sites and apps that will “nudify” an image.”
Can you share a full-body shot of yourself please? Don’t worry, you won’t suffer while it gets used to create other content that we’ll distribute to your friends, family, classmates, coworkers, etc.
“Deepfakes” are edited pictures of real people. I’d be more inclined to agree with you on completely AI generated images but not something specifically intended to deceive others into thinking they’re viewing a real person’s image.
Deepfakes are, however the top-level comment I was answering was not limited to deepfakes. And as my further discussion with its author shows, they too didn’t mean only deepfakes.
Their opinion was that any kind of pornography portraying children, even if it’s not shared with others and not based on pics of real people, should be prosecuted just like making real child pornography.
You know, this thread has once again reinforced me in my opinion that the best system of government is Aspie Reich. Only people with Aspergers should be allowed to make laws and judge and hold public posts. The rest of fucking chimps just don’t have what it takes to override their chimp instincts.
intention is litigated every day. Intention is what differentiates murder from manslaughter. Intention is what differentiates free speech from defamation.
My understanding is that intention is not uncommonly litigated; I believe the question of “intent to deceive” is central to trademark law, for example. That’s also what the the “degrees” of murder etc are about.
Disclaimer: I’m not a lawyer. I do read an awful lot of contacts and talk to lawyers.
By litigate I mean, if a person is creating something and says they don’t plan to distribute it, do we take their word for it?
If it ends up getting distributed anyway, should we take their word that it was an accident?
We consider people’s private data important enough that if you leak it even by mistake you are on the hook for that. You have a responsibility.
I think that rather than framing this as something harmless unless distributed and therefore intent to distribute matters, we should treat it as something you have a responsibility not to create because it will be harmful when it is inevitably distributed.
Even knowing what Internet is, I sometimes try to pretend the other side is arguing in good faith.
I mean, it’s as if someone pushed me and I would try to sue them for cutting my hand off. With that hand present.
I would understand the “this punishment is not enough, we have to do more” sentiment, but instead of “more” they are trying to alias a different action with an existing action with harsher punishment.
Meanwhile in reality check out what she is distributing through Snapchat and only fans… Maybe pursuing the actual crimes first then if there’s spare resources go after fiction.
If you use AI to nudify her pictures, you’re manufacturing child pornography, and deserve the full consequences for doing that.
No, equating this to an actual child being raped is incorrect. These are not crimes of remotely equal magnitude.
Comparing a person who raped a child, made photos and distributed them to a person who used Photoshop or an AI tool is, other than just evil, reducing the meaning of the former.
They are now at the point of calling me a disgusting person who doesn’t belong in civilized society because I am against the production, and use, of child pornography.
Give me a million attempts and I would never have guessed that is the person I would encounter today. haha
What this conversation is about has as much to do with child pornography as hentai with loli characters.
You just can’t argue without unsubstantiated accusations, can you?
When real living people are being murdered and abused in droves, you are still worried more about glorified automated Photoshop and accusing its users of being the same as actual rapists.
What this conversation is about has as much to do with child pornography as hentai with loli characters.
Creating sexually explicit images of minors is child pornography.
You just can’t argue without unsubstantiated accusations, can you?
You literally confirmed my claim in your first sentence, and your last.
When real living people are being murdered and abused in droves, you are still worried more about glorified automated Photoshop and accusing its users of being the same as actual rapists.
Production of child pornography is production of child pornography. It does not need to involve rape. Producing child pornography is a separate crime.
Its users are pedophiles because they are producing child pornography. You are defending them.
No I’m just pointing out the obvious fake morality. Big “somebody think of the children” energy here Todd. You just hate common sense and logic and are bringing it up because you need a knee jerk reaction to simulate an emotional response from real humans.
I have mixed feelings about this prosecution of ai deepfakes.
Like obviously people should have protection against becoming a victim of such and perpetrators should be held accountable.
But the line “feds are currently testing whether existing laws protecting kids against abuse are enough to shield kids from AI harms” would be a incredibly dangerous precedent because those are mostly designed for actual physical sex crimes.
As wrong as it is to create and distribute ai generated sex imagery involving non consenting people it is not even remotely as bad as actual rape and distributing real photos.
I don’t think you’re on the right track here. There are definitely existing laws in most states regarding ‘revenge porn’, creating sexual media of minors, Photoshop porn, all kinds of things that are very similar to ai generated deep fakes. In some cases ai deepfakes fall under existing laws, but often they don’t. Or, because of how the law is written, they exist in a legal grey area that will be argued in the courts for years.
Nowhere is anyone suggesting that making deepfakes should be prosecuted as rape, that’s just complete nonsense. The question is, where do new laws need to be written, or laws need to be updated to make sure ai porn is treated the same as other forms of illegal use of someone’s likeness to make porn.
I’m some jurisdictions, public urination can put you on a sex offender registry.
It wouldn’t even matter if you’re trying to be discreet and just have to go but there’s no public washrooms around.
Creating and distributing anything should be legal if no real person suffers during its creation and if it’s not intended at defamation, forgery, such things.
Bruh how is creating and distributing a non-consensual nude-ified picture of a young girl not a cause for suffering for the victim? Please, explain that to the class.
Did you just not go to school as a kid? If so, that would explain your absolute ineptitude on this topic. Your opinion is some real “your body, my choice” kind of energy.
There’s a legitimate discussion to be had about harm reduction here. You’re approaching this topic from an all-or-nothing mindset but there’s quite a bit of research indicating that’s not really how it works in practice. Specifically as it relates to child pornography the argument goes that not allowing artificial material to be created leads to an increase in production of actual child pornography which obviously means more real children are being harmed than would be if other forms were not controlled in the same fashion. The same sort of logic could be applied to revenge porn, stolen selfies, or whatever else we’re calling the kind of thing this article is referring to. It may not be an identical scenario but I still think it would be fair to say that an AI generated image is not as damaging as a real one.
That is not to say that nothing should be done in these situations. I haven’t decided what I think the right move is given the options in front of us but I think there’s quite a bit more nuance here than your comment would indicate.
I think this is probably a really good point. I have no issue with AI generated images, although obviously if they are used to do an illegal thing such has harassment or defamation, those things are still illegal.
I’m of two minds when it comes to AI nudes of minors. The first is that if someone wants that and no actual person is harmed, I really don’t care. Let me caveat that here: I suspect there are people out there who, if inundated with fake CP, will then be driven to ideation about actual child abuse. And I think there is real harm done to that person and potentially the children if they go on to enact those fantasies. However I think it needs more data before I am willing to draw a firm conclusion.
But the second is that a proliferation of AI CP means it will be very difficult to tell fakes from actual child abuse. And for that reason alone, I think it’s important that any distribution of CP, whether real or just realistic, must be illegal. Because at a minimum it wastes resources that could be used to assist actual children and find their abusers.
So, absent further information, I think whatever a person whats to generate for themselves in private is just fine, but as soon as it starts to be distributed, I think that it must be illegal.
That’s a fairly decent and nuanced take.
“The deepfakes are often used to extort, harass or bully minors, she says, and are easy to make because of the many sites and apps that will “nudify” an image.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/deepfake-minors-porn-explicit-images-1.7385099
Read my comment again.
My advice to you would be to improve your reading comprehension before judging this way.
In particular, the word “defamation”.
Can you share a full-body shot of yourself please? Don’t worry, you won’t suffer while it gets used to create other content that we’ll distribute to your friends, family, classmates, coworkers, etc.
You first.
EDIT: Also I weren’t talking about pics of real people.
“Deepfakes” are edited pictures of real people. I’d be more inclined to agree with you on completely AI generated images but not something specifically intended to deceive others into thinking they’re viewing a real person’s image.
Deepfakes are, however the top-level comment I was answering was not limited to deepfakes. And as my further discussion with its author shows, they too didn’t mean only deepfakes.
Their opinion was that any kind of pornography portraying children, even if it’s not shared with others and not based on pics of real people, should be prosecuted just like making real child pornography.
You know, this thread has once again reinforced me in my opinion that the best system of government is Aspie Reich. Only people with Aspergers should be allowed to make laws and judge and hold public posts. The rest of fucking chimps just don’t have what it takes to override their chimp instincts.
Oh, so “anything” doesn’t mean what it used to mean?
I said “defamation”. If you are not capable of reading, that’s not my fault.
That’s why I’m ancap, you can’t deal with such chimp crowds without private tanks.
K dude.
How do you litigate ‘intention’ in this way?
intention is litigated every day. Intention is what differentiates murder from manslaughter. Intention is what differentiates free speech from defamation.
My understanding is that intention is not uncommonly litigated; I believe the question of “intent to deceive” is central to trademark law, for example. That’s also what the the “degrees” of murder etc are about.
Disclaimer: I’m not a lawyer. I do read an awful lot of contacts and talk to lawyers.
This is not a legal text, you little cheat.
This is a sentence in natural language, want me to start asking such questions about everything you write?
If you make a deepfake of someone and share it, then it’s defamation. Taking a picture voluntarily shared and editing it is not a crime.
By litigate I mean, if a person is creating something and says they don’t plan to distribute it, do we take their word for it?
If it ends up getting distributed anyway, should we take their word that it was an accident?
We consider people’s private data important enough that if you leak it even by mistake you are on the hook for that. You have a responsibility.
I think that rather than framing this as something harmless unless distributed and therefore intent to distribute matters, we should treat it as something you have a responsibility not to create because it will be harmful when it is inevitably distributed.
You would be fine with AI-gen porn images of your teenage daughter being distributed around the internet?
I take it, the word “defamation” is not part of your lexicon.
The issue being discussed does not fall under defamation.
Making forged pics of someone else falls under defamation.
It’s very clearly not rape, sexual abuse, child pornography or non-consensual pornography.
Welcome to the internet.
Even knowing what Internet is, I sometimes try to pretend the other side is arguing in good faith.
I mean, it’s as if someone pushed me and I would try to sue them for cutting my hand off. With that hand present.
I would understand the “this punishment is not enough, we have to do more” sentiment, but instead of “more” they are trying to alias a different action with an existing action with harsher punishment.
Meanwhile in reality check out what she is distributing through Snapchat and only fans… Maybe pursuing the actual crimes first then if there’s spare resources go after fiction.
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No, equating this to an actual child being raped is incorrect. These are not crimes of remotely equal magnitude.
Comparing a person who raped a child, made photos and distributed them to a person who used Photoshop or an AI tool is, other than just evil, reducing the meaning of the former.
It is weird how hard you have been defending the production of child pornography in this thread.
Fr, bro is giving off some strong Trumpist vibes.
They are now at the point of calling me a disgusting person who doesn’t belong in civilized society because I am against the production, and use, of child pornography.
Give me a million attempts and I would never have guessed that is the person I would encounter today. haha
What this conversation is about has as much to do with child pornography as hentai with loli characters.
You just can’t argue without unsubstantiated accusations, can you?
When real living people are being murdered and abused in droves, you are still worried more about glorified automated Photoshop and accusing its users of being the same as actual rapists.
Creating sexually explicit images of minors is child pornography.
You literally confirmed my claim in your first sentence, and your last.
Production of child pornography is production of child pornography. It does not need to involve rape. Producing child pornography is a separate crime.
Its users are pedophiles because they are producing child pornography. You are defending them.
These are the facts.
People can be worried about more than one thing at a time.
No I’m just pointing out the obvious fake morality. Big “somebody think of the children” energy here Todd. You just hate common sense and logic and are bringing it up because you need a knee jerk reaction to simulate an emotional response from real humans.
Somebody in non US satellite foreign state can go and do that now from the youtube “bikini hauls” since they publicly avaoialble
What are you or the feds gonna about that, chief?
If that is your or her concern, don’t post pictures online. Otherwise, you are literally the mercy of the internet. Privacy 101.
I am sure giving feds extra powers on this won’t end like everything else, ie abused against lesser peons.