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Honestly I don’t see myself getting a switch 2 until its able to be emulated. and I’m buying it and all the games used so I don’t have to support Nintendo financially
The console price, the game price and no oled screen as well as it being so damn big make it a hard pass for me.
Il wait for the Switch 2 Lite OLED.
$450 and not OLED is insane
I don’t blame them. Nintendo fans buy anything at any price. I don’t see it being different this time.
Mario Kart 8 never goes on sale and sold 70m copies; Pokémon Scarlet/Violet sold 30m despite looking and playing like dogshit; they sold Skyward Sword HD, the remaster of a 10-yo game, at full price and still placed a few millions.
Nintendo is basically like Apple at this point, the brand is enough to convince people to spend more than they would for the competition, regardless of quality. I personally know a lot of people who loudly groaned/complained at the price announcement, but will still buy it day one, just like they always had in all these years.
And people terminally online should stop pretending the Steam Deck is competition to the Switch 2. It couldn’t even compete with the Switch 1, which was five years older, had worse performance, and had been easily emulated for years at that point.
Nintendo fans buy anything at any price.
Counterpoint: Wii U.
You’re not wrong, Nintendo fans will buy this. As a Nintendo fan, I will buy this - though, it’s gone from a Day 1, no-brainer purchase to “when I can justify the expense” - but Nintendo fans make up a small fraction of people who bought a Switch 1.
See: Wii U, 3DS
The Wii and DS printed money, and they assumed most of those users would move on to the new hardware. They did not. They had to slash the 3DS price within months, and nothing saved the Wii U.
Probably not going to happen, but I think it would be awesome if it’s like the 3DS where they realize the cost is too much, then they lower the price significantly and the early adopters who sacrificed their firstborns for it will have some sort of ambassador program.
Iwata is gone, and it really shows.
Apart from both being TV/Handheld hybrid consoles, I’m not understanding why people think Switch/2 and Steam Deck are in direct competition with each other. They aren’t. They’re in totally separate leagues.
Similar form factor, similar price, similar use case. The big difference is that one plays Nintendo games and another plays PC games.
I own a steam deck, therefore the appeal of a switch 2 is their exclusive games. I don’t need both, they scratch the same itch.
Nintendo is basically like Apple at this point, the brand is enough to convince people to spend more than they would for the competition, regardless of quality.
People spend more on Apple/Nintendo because of quality. Windows is ten years gone to enshittification. The ps5/xbox have ads on their home screen and are one bad GTA away from a full industry crash
No. They buy Apple & Nintendo because of brand loyalty and their social significance.
Have you not seen how deranged they get about those companies products? Nintendo fans lose their minds if someone dare criticize a Mario, Metroid, and especially Zelda games.
Apple fanatics think every new product is a revolution even though some other company or organization has usually already beat them to the punch.
Further, Windows, PS5, & Xbox are are not their only competition. And even then, they are enshitiffied now but that doesn’t explain Nintendo and Apple fans behavior before those competitors became this way.
You’re overreacting to other people’s social media overreactions. I’m talking about the actual products they sell.
The question is how many of the Switch 1 buyers are Nintendo fans. Many, like me, bought Switch entering for 1st time to the Nintendo, but i am not consider myself a loyal mindless fan. With kids and families is harder though.
I will just skip Switch 2 and just play only in my PC like i always had. If they release a good Steam Deck that it is worthy, i will consider it. If the market slaps them and they return to reality, i will consider Switch 2 for 2026.
Does the sales reflect if Mario Kart 8 was bundled with the console as a purchase? So are they paying the full price in the end? Obliviously the prices are totally outrageous which is why I think I only have 4 games on the Switch and half of them were included with the console.
It’s not convoluted at all. It’s extremely simple: if you want to (edit: legally) play first party Nintendo titles (or other exclusives), you MUST buy a switch. If you don’t care about Nintendo exclusives, there’s absolutely no reason to own a switch. That has been true of every, single Nintendo console ever released… except for the Wii. People bought a Wii so they could play a motion control game with Grandma once or twice, and then just let the console sit and collect dust.
When the Switch 1 released there was nothing else on the market like it. Play handheld on the bus, get home, dock it, continue playing in full HD. That is amazing. I didn’t get the Switch 1 because of the exclusives, it was the versatility that got me.
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Nintendo striking down emulators illegally?
How does that have anything to do with you pirating developers’ hard work?
That only matters if you would have paid for it otherwise.
Hahaha holy shit this is so true.
Most people don’t want to dedicate brain cells for that
Well. NES/SNES/N64/GameCube/DS/GBA all had bangers. The well started to dry up around the wii.
People bought a Wii so they could play a motion control game with Grandma once or twice
I’d give up everything just to do this…
Best time to buy Nintendo hardware is after the announcement of a hardware exploit.
The second best time is before
But $450 does feels like the upper limit cost of something you give a child, and if you’re charging me Real Console money for this then I kinda expect to be treated like an adult.
It is a Real Console. Today’s big showpiece was fucking Bloodborne 2 and some people still can’t get out of their bubble where they think it’s a children’s toy.
Nintendo deliberately exited the Real Console wars after the Gamecube. This is an interesting time for them to decide to re-join it.
Nintendo launched the first Switch at $299; just accounting for inflation over the past years - that’s ~$390 now, BEFORE even trying to account for any Trump-tariffs they have been (or will be) imposed on electronics hardware.
I hate to give Nintendo credit, but $450 is actually somewhat reasonable given the current global shit-show.
It’s not just the console prices that have gone up. Console is, 470 euros, Mario Kart is 90 euros, Pro Controller 2 is 90 euros, the SD card is 60 euros, a webcam is 60 euros…
Meanwhile, their competition is getting cheaper every day.
My point is more that new/launch technology is always more expensive at launch, until economies of scale can kick in; and this is the first console launch after the 1-2 years of post-COVID double-digit inflation globally.
It sucks, and I’m not trying to excuse it or hand-wave it away - more-so just pointing out that it was kinda foreseeable, given the current state of things.
If you think this is bad, wait until the next round of console launches in ~2027 from Sony.
I can understand the console being more expensive, especially since we don’t really know its specs yet (or at least I don’t). Why is Mario Kart 30 euros more expensive, tho? It doesn’t paint a good picture.
I think most people are more upset about Nintendo pushing an $80 price tag for first party games. TotK put a bad taste in a lot of peoples’ mouths, but it was both a technical marvel and highly anticipated. People were beyond hyped about the game years before we learned about the increased price.
Mario Kart World was announced out of the blue, and while it looks like a ton of fun, it’s not the same kind of ‘I would be disappointed if I didn’t play it before I died’ as TotK. So a further bump in price for it just feels awful.
Almost like they base prices on actual financial accounting and not the feelings of gamers.
Of course any economist will tell you economics is part psychology and sociology because humans aren’t rational actors, but it evens out at these large scales, and they have to start somewhere.
Yeah, this was my thinking as well. Inflation + preparations for tariffs are likely enough to bring the price to 450.
The only thing “convoluted” about this whole announcement was pricing. The price of the console The price of the games The price of their online services and upgrades…
All of that is gut-wrenching as Nintendo claws at its dedicated fans wallets.
Otherwise the features and games look amazing, i understand why people are willing to pay those prices.
Fingers crossed we luck out with easy jailbreaks and emulators like we did for the Switch 1.
Fingers crossed we luck out with easy jailbreaks and emulators like we did for the Switch 1.
Nintendo won’t make this mistake again. But I’m like you, also hoping their security experts are the same dipshits as before so we can resume pirating the entire overpriced Nintendo library.
Nintendo won’t make this mistake again
17th time’s the charm
Nintendo continuously makes the easiest to hack and emulate consoles and handhelds. They been fighting emulation for 30 years and still churn out systems that get cracked immediately.
Hell my kids play N64 on my modded Wii. They were playing Mario kart just a few hours ago lmao
They’ve had dumb vulnerabilities in every single console. Given this one is a refresh, it probably won’t have some huge unpatchable vuln, but there’s always something.
Nintendo makes this mistake like every single time, what do you mean
The first model run of Switches had an SOC hardware flaw that wad Nvidia’s fault.
Pure speculation here, but I’m pretty sure the reason Nintendo significantly ramped up their legal hiring in the past few years is because they figured it was cheaper to chill the development of custom firmware and emulation than it was to tighten up their hardware.
I’m sure they still made an effort, but I’d be very surprised if the security isn’t broken fairly quickly.
youd be suprised. all of Sonys consoles are hackable, despite efforts to stopping it. willing to guess that another SD express exploit will be found, as one was already found late last year, and the switch 2 is one of the devices that uses it.
jailbreaks and emulators
I’m afraid of the possibility the Switch 2 will be their Xbox 360 -> Xbox One moment in terms of security…
They made a change that the cartridges no longer hold the game data but will require a download of the game and the cartridge is just a key for the digital game.
That will stop game dumping from the cartridge. But with a jailbroken console, we can still get the game that way.
That’s not true. The physical games do contain the game. Game-key cards do not. There is a difference
Wait so there will be two different types of cartridges? Some that do hold game data and others that don’t and are just the digital key?
I was under the impression this would be all cartridges for the Switch 2.
Yes. In the direct they specifically said that physical game cartridges will be the same shape and size as switch 1 cartridges, but will be red and are much faster. Then in their customer support documentation on their website it says that game key cards are different from regular game cards and will be clearly labeled as “game-key card” on the packaging. However, this doesn’t mean that they will always produce working physical games. This game-key card thing may just be a way to slowly transition into an all digital market without causing a sudden uproar
“dedicated fan”. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The game pricing argument goes back and forth for me. Yes, on paper, you could say that inflation suggests games should go up in price, especially considering how many more developers are needed to put out high-fidelity games. BUT, on the other hand, the minimum wage has not raised significantly in all of that time. As a result, a significant number of gamers genuinely can’t pay more for games than they could 20+ years ago. The reason these larger studios exist is because of gaming’s expanded reach in that time; and many of these new target territories similarly can’t pay for the equivalent of $80USD.
There’s maybe only about 1-2 games I’ve ever even paid the $70 price tag for.
I agree, sales are constant (at least on PC) so I almost never even paid the $60 price tag. They can keep cranking up the prices but more and more people may just wait for sales. I know Nintendo games don’t go on sale very often but that makes the ecosystem even less attractive. $450 is in the range of a Steam deck.
Inflation or not, prices can only go up if the market will support them. If people are unable (or unwilling) to pay the higher prices, then prices basically can’t go up.
I mean… I will be able to get a Nintendo Switch 2 eventually… Regarding the Steam Deck, I can’t buy it officially in Mexico yet… Come on Valve, we are literally neighbors of the USA lol.
Those are not the same thing? How do I play the new Donkey Kong and Formsoft exclusive (!) on a Steam deck?
Emulation (although you may have to wait a bit)
Do you really think the Steam Deck will have the horsepower to emulate Switch 2? I’d love too, but even Switch 1 is not in perfect level yet (like PPSSPP perfect like).
Why not? Just because the Switch 2 can do 4k60 doesn’t mean it’s super powerful. Thd Switch 1 was obsolete when it launched, so a hardware upgrade over that could be literally anything. For reference, even the Raspberry Pi can do 4k60 nowadays.
Afaik, Switch 2 specs haven’t been revealed (have they?) so we don’t know yet what to expect, but considering it’s a handheld it will likely have similar power constraints to the Deck, possibly even more to achieve longer battery life. (But tbf, the deck is relatively old by now and could itself benefit from an upgrade). As far as emulation, we at least know Nintendo considered it worth the effort to try to take down all Switch 1 emulators before even revealing fhe Switch 2, probably suggesting it’s not going to be hard to emulate.
The trailer mentions that the Switch 2 can do 4k60 when docked only on some games. Just knowing Nintendo’s cheap asses, I doubt you’ll get that from any significant 3D title. It’ll probably be limited mostly to 2D titles, simple 3D ones, or maybe some hyper-polished first party titles. I doubt you’ll see that in the new Bloodborne, possibly not even 120 while in handheld either.
Why not?
Let’s be objective here, can you really see the Steam Deck emulating the Cyberpunk 2077 game of the Switch 2? I know there is not a reason to do this, but these kinds of achievements are what I mean with “perfect emulation”.
But tbf, the deck is relatively old by now and could itself benefit from an upgrade
I have no doubts that a Steam Deck 2 will emulate Switch 2 games… But everyone keeps telling me this won’t happen soon enough…
As far as emulation, we at least know Nintendo considered it worth the effort to try to take down all Switch 1 emulators before even revealing fhe Switch 2, probably suggesting it’s not going to be hard to emulate.
That is one opinion, my personal one is that they just did it because they can still benefit from the sales of the Switch 1 games as the console is retrocompatible, so of course they would want you to pay for them instead of emulating them… Think of it as when they were actively blocking flashcarts that launched games for the DS in the 3DS.
It’ll probably be limited mostly to 2D titles, simple 3D ones, or maybe some hyper-polished first party titles
Perhaps, but what we know as of now is that Metroid Prime 4 was announced to run at 4K 60 FPS/1080p 60 FPS which I think the current Steam Deck will not be able to achieve (it doesn’t even have such resolutions), perhaps 720p 120 FPS is doable, but if it can’t perfectly emulate the Switch 2 then I don’t see it as a viable Switch 2 replacement.
“perfect emulation”
With a setup like this, you can keep moving the goal post until you win all your little internet arguments. Personally, I’m not a fanboy for neither Nintendo nor Valve, so I really don’t care to get into this kind of atgument.
My point is that there’s no reason to think the Switch 2 can’t be emulated on the Deck, at least not until we get more information.
I think the current Steam Deck will not be able to achieve (it doesn’t even have such resolutions)
The Steam Deck supports 4k60 just fine, just not on the built-in display ofc.
The steam deck just barely emulates the switch, so I think switch 2 emulation is out of the question unless there is serious performance hacks. Ryujinx likely would have been able to emulate the switch 2 one or two years after launch just like what happened with dolphin and the Wii. but Nintendo illegally got them shut down
The steam deck just barely emulates the switch
Wdym? Last I tried it, Switch emulation on the Deck was nearly perfect. I played the entirety of Metroid Dread on it with zero issues, and a couple of other games (Breath of the Wild, Smash, and Odyssey)
I am pretty sensitive to stutter and 1% lows, so maybe I’m just being nit picky. what fixed it for me was downloading a complete shader cache for the games I had stutter problems with.
Summary; two older men complain about something that they arent interested in: introduce politics and whine about pricing.
Its almost like those “politics” are related to why the pricing is weird?
But hey, fuck em. This is hype train time, right? We should be thankful it is only eighty bucks for Mario Kart because REAL fans would give them a hundred bucks for the greatest game ever made or whatever asinine bullshit.
You aren’t a true gamer unless you buy 20 copies of
CelesteMario Kart World to support the starving developerMaddy Makes GamesNintendo.Tbf, the pricing isnt really out yet, im prepared to see the dollar value go up just due to todays news. By the time its actually in the US the tariffs will probably be higher. Nintendo fans are definitely gonna shell out, like always, no matter the cost. Maybe it will sell less because of the price structure and corpos will learn a lesson, but I doubt it. This timeline hurts me
It’s out in the nintendo stores and general retailers are already accepting preorders at the same price. It’s real, Mario Kart is 90 euros. Insane.
Do you think they already priced in the federal govts tariffs? If so, the price still hurts but not as much
