luckily this is just a 32; i had a 70 from the same brand with the same INSANELY FUCKING STUPID STAND DESIGN that i had to find something for…literally at the most extreme edges of the thing, what the fuck is this? this is so fucking stupid, it cannot be meaningfully cheaper than a proper design and it looks fucking dumb as hell and surely this has pissed off 90% of people that wanted a TV and want to put it on a little stand like a normal fucking person right??
Centre stands need to be way more sturdy to hold it up. You can buy aftermarket VESA centre stands though if you can’t wall mount it.
The wider the TV gets, the more stable a two-feet-at-the-ends design becomes compared to a single central foot.
Plus if you need anything else, VESA mounts are super-standard and you just get whatever you need then use it on every Tv you buy.
Op didn’t check the specs on the item he bought and is upset it’s not perfectly tailored to his individual tastes.
You love to see it.
Show me the affordable TV made in the last 5 years that doesn’t require a stand at least 90% as wide as the TV is
Don’t say it’s for stability, you could move the feet to be 1/3 of the way in and it’ll be exactly as stable because it isn’t tipping over sideways. Don’t say it’s for a sound bar, this is a TCL, that’s the cheapest “I’m looking for a new TV but make minimum wage” brand you can find
We have comically different standards for “affordable…” That 32" TV you linked is double the price I paid for my 55" TCL here in the states
A 55in TCL is £63 more than the one I linked in the UK.
How cheap are your TVs!? You’re getting 55in screens for under $200?
The first one you linked is normally £500, I got my TV for about $250
That’s a black Friday sale price. And in typical black Friday fashion it’s been advertised to make it look as appealing as possible, that TV doesn’t sell for 500 anywhere.
Either way, there’s a difference between a budget TV and an affordable TV. You can pick up a TV with a base for £300 pretty easily, and I’d definitely consider that affordable.
You call $370 for a 32 inch AFFORDABLE??? Paid half that for a 50 inch.
I call 370 an affordable TV, I searched the word tv and that was my 3rd result. If you wanted a good deal I would search for more than 15seconds, but that’s how long it took to find the first tv that matched the criteria.
Take a look at the 5th too, $400 for a 55in, plenty affordable!
Are you being sarcastic? $400 for 55in TV is high end… Lower cost 55in are, on average, $240. Affordable TV for most of the world would be under $200-$250
You might be blinded by your own country’s prices there mate, but even considering that, not many people are calling any $400 TV “high end”.
By all means have a look on UK amazon (or any UK store) for a new 55in screen for under £200 though…
A high end tv is over a grand, whether that’s from US Walmart or UK John Lewis. What “high end” TV can you show me advertised at $400? Lets keep it simple and just say any OLED 55in screen. Not particularly high end necessarily but I bet you can’t find a $400 one, in fact I doubt you’ll find one for 3figures.
I just checked Walmart US and not sure how you arrived at 240. The absolute cheapest 55in TV is 250. Where you get 240 average i have no idea, maybe a few TVs elsewhere but they’re at the absolute bottom rung for quality and we’re talking about affordable TVs , not budget ones.
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If you can’t afford all of the responsibilities of owning a TV you shouldn’t take on that commitment.
Probably the dumbest take, Congrats. Go check the garbage for your cake.
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People like you are the reason why everything has a warning label now.
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So original. I havent heard that one 13 times already today.
Do you think there might be a reason you hear it a lot…?
Putting a giant TV on a tiny stand is not normal… Be mildly infuriated at yourself, not the manufacturer
OP blaming their shitty decisions on others. Why are you buying something without knowing its dimensions?
Fuck I hate people like this. The answer btw is pretty obvious. From a weight distribution perspective it’s easiest to have two feet as wide apart as possible.
Most TV’s don’t list the width on the feet on the packaging do they?
I looked up the shittiest TV brand available at my local electronics store and yeah, they do list the width with and without stands.
And if you plan on putting your TV on a table that is way too small, then I’d double check where the stands sit exactly, because it’s not a design problem but a you problem.
People need to stop blaming their shitty planning on “bad design”. It’s the most common sense design that will work in most cases.
Next you’ll have the guy who puts their TV on two separate chairs complain about the bad design of TV’s that only have a single stand in the middle ffs.
Weird. The last three TVs I bought didn’t have the foot width listed on the box.
I just found what I believe is the same TV OP bought and it doesn’t list the stand width. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-43-class-s4-s-class-4k-uhd-hdr-led-smart-tv-with-google-tv/6538141.p?skuId=6538141
A number of other budget TV brands I checked don’t have it listed, either - including a Fire TV from Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/amazon-fire-tv-50-inch-4-series-4k-smart-tv/dp/B0B3GTSQ9Q/ref=sr_1_
That’s been my experience. It’s weird seeing people get so angry at op over the assumption that op ignored fundamental information that is so often omitted by the manufacturers.
Exactly my thought. Makes this place seem toxic as fuck.
This is the most controversial post on Lemmy 4 months later.
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Tbf, sometimes the measurements are iffy. I bought a 55 inch TV that fits comfortably on my TV table. The TV had some issues so I went through a return with the manufacturer and they didn’t have my specific TV in my size so they offered a 65 inch. I asked them if the measurements for the stand were the same and they read off the same distance as the 55 inch. I thought great! It will fit.
TV arrives and the stand legs were just an inch short on either side of the table, definitely not the same! But it still fit. I ended up securing the TV with those child straps just in case and plan to replace the table eventually.
Can’t wall mount at the moment because of spacing issues but eventually will.
I had a similar issue with a monitor, the stand leg distance was listed but not the fact that it’s width is half my desk. It doesn’t help that some stores and manufacturers don’t have a standardized list either.
People are allowed to complain about annoying widespread design standards
This is not bad design, it’s just common sense.
People are way too entitled is the problem and assume that their bad planning/thinking automatically means something is badly designed. Blame anyone but themselves.
People very upset that a company which exists to make money has used the cheaper option for the part of a TV that 80% of buyers will leave in the box anyway.
I saw a comment suggesting that it must only be $5 to add a proper stand. TCL made 30million TVs last year so that’s a substantial bonus for whoever made that choice.
Breaking news! Budget TV has budget parts!
“weight distribution”… They weight practically nothing, and even old heavy ass CRTs sat on narrow platform mounts
Well I guess they just so it to annoy people then. There’s no other reasons why they’d do this right?
Cost cutting. When huge TVs only cost a few hundred dollars and everything else has gotten super expensive, they have to cut corners
Why is it cutting corners though?
Ideally you’d have the option for both a central stand and the two sides in the one box, but then that’s being wasteful and bad for the environment.
There really isn’t a good option here. In that case I’d say it’s on the consumer to figure out beforehand what the stand is and decide whether they like it or not, not on the company to magically know what stand the consumer needs.
Many companies do shitty things but this stand issue really is a non-issue.
Make center stands great again
Yes and then we can have other mildly infuriating posts about this from the other side - why does my TV have a shitty central stand when it could just have two stands on the side? Clearly bad design.
Nobody ever complained about center stands
I have the same TV and built a custom stand for it. Doesn’t change the fact that the included stand is a bad design.
I disagree that it is bad design. It’s cheap and I also find it ugly, but it does get the job done just fine.
This is not bad design, it’s just common sense.
People are way too entitled is the problem and assume that their bad planning/thinking automatically means something is badly designed. Blame anyone but themselves.
Do you actually own the TV or one with that same stand? 3/3 people I know, plus OP had to do something extra to make that stand work. That’s bad design. Maybe not for the bottom line of the company, but definitely for the customer.
Functionally the stand is garbage too even if you do have a massive surface. It’s not at all adjustable and it can easily damage your table if it shifts at all.
But I guess, expecting a product to work out of the box without third party add-ons like a VESA stand or needing to cut grooves in a wooden block to keep it from toppling over is “entitled” now.
You’re using anecdotes to back up your experience which is never a good sign.
This is a fairly basic TV stand design. If you honestly know 4 people who’ve struggled with this then I’m not sure what to tell you. Personally I’ve never heard of anyone have a problem with their TV stand. I myself have a central stand and it’s pretty bulky/annoying itself and wouldn’t fit on many smaller tables. But if you have an appropriate TV stand it’s fine.
So yeah, I do think it’s entitled that people expect every TV manufactured to magically work on their specific table, and if it doesn’t it’s badly designed. Put another way, why don’t you look up some reviews of this TV and see how many people rate it highly vs complain about the stand? When I looked at similar designs they were very highly rated, so at least for the majority of people it’s well designed and acknowledging you cannot have a single design that works for everyone.
OP in his post said he saw it in person so they even knew what they were buying and could easily measure it. I don’t know how they can honestly go back and say it’s badly designed and doesn’t fit their table when they literally saw how it was designed and could have easily measured it out if they chose to.
Personally I’ve never heard of anyone have a problem with their TV stand. I myself have a central stand and it’s pretty bulky/annoying itself and wouldn’t fit on many smaller tables. But if you have an appropriate TV stand it’s fine.
You’re using anecdotes to back up your experience which is never a good sign.
well good thing they’re a professional company with professional engineers, glad they’re taking the easy route
i bought it because i was at the store and thought ‘damn a bedroom tv would be nice’ and it was black friday. it’s only 32" i hope it fits on the table, and if not i can rig something up, but either way, god fucking dammit these new legs are terrible design because now i have to think about this instead of them just having a damn stand in the center like everyone used to
was sort of what i was thinking
So take it back? If you put it back in the packaging and said “hey, this doesn’t fit where I want it”, they should take it back. I’ve never dealt with a store that wouldn’t.
I could see this if you ordered it online, sight unseen. Like, if the website were text-based and had no pictures and the description was “It’s a TV”. But you were at a physical store…
He knew the dimensions of the place where the TV was supposed to go.
He went to the store, saw the TV, he saw the box with a picture of it.
So he brought it home, unpacked it, placed it where it was obviously not going to be able to go.
Then he plugged it in and turned it on.
And instead of just putting it back in its packaging and bringing it back to the store and admit defeat. Or order a new piece of furniture Amazkea.
He instead went on here to fucking complain.
They gambled on an eyeball measurement from memory and lost. It’s not that deep.
They don’t need to return it because it can still be mounted on a stand or wall. And maybe they want to watch crooked Netflix in the meantime.
…And they complained on mildly infuriating, which seems appropriate because it’s not that big of a deal.
All he needs is a small piece of plywood for $5 to fix this.
Actually it’s been a design standard for a long time for screens to have a single pedestal support in the center. It’s reasonable for OP to buy a TV without checking because until recently these side legs wouldn’t have existed.
Both me and my flatmate got new TVs to replace our decade+ old ones. Cannot find a single 40+ inch TV within our price ranges that comes with a center stand, it’s all feet. It’s a shame, we liked having our TVs sitting next to each other in the living room to play pseudosplitscreen video games, but now they don’t fit.
Have you considered buying one with feet and spending $30 on a vesa stand to solve the issue?
Before this thread, I’d never heard of them, but I fully plan on buying two of them within the next week
Feels like everyone is taking this a little too seriously for something mildy infuriating.
Surely, op is capable of solving this minor issue, which is why they rolled the dice that it might fit.
$18 on Amazon, more adjustable than any stand that could possibly be included in the box:
https://www.amazon.com/Articulating-Extension-Rotation-200x200mm-Pipishell/dp/B07SHFPD8S
This would involve successfully finding a wall stud to install on and the use of power tools. With the information OP has revealed about themselves, that seems like a recipe for a broken TV and half a wall ripped out or a trip to the ER. Of course it will be the fault of the drill manufacturer and they might sue.
Then you should stop thinking
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To be honest they think that people plan ahead for something like this…
How do you not do research on the dimensions of anything before buying something big like a TV?
Mate I’ll have done a 3D reconstruction of the room accurate to the mm to test everything out. I’m only slightly exaggerating, I literally did exactly that when planning my new office/studio, had the room in 3D long before we got the house, built everything myself, custom desk, acoustic treatment, etc.
A 32" TV is buying something big?
Do you buy a new TV, like, every other week?
They’re like $150 and fit on a dresser. How much remodeling are you going to do for it
It just takes a single measurement to avoid this… Measure/estimate width of the cabinet, look at the TV width, look at pictures of the TV. Then, if the TV is wider than the platform and has wide legs, don’t buy something that probably won’t fit.
I agree with the others, OP rushed to buy this on black friday without enough thought and now regrets that decision.
It used to take zero measurements to avoid this. That’s OP’s point.
Apparently, if it warrants making a post about it
So many people attacking OP and perhaps not remembering there was a time when nearly all flat panel TVs came on a pedestal mount. The designs were largely changed to mitigate claims and liability.
On the other hand, if you buy something, check what you’re buying. Don’t complain if you don’t even know what you’re buying.
Maybe the higher end TVs publish the feet width on the box, but the one I got a few years ago sure didn’t. It was actually really frustrating to find that info for any of the TVs I was looking at at the time.
Even looking at a modern budget TV from Amazon, it doesn’t say anything about the width of the legs on the product page. https://www.amazon.com/amazon-fire-tv-50-inch-4-series-4k-smart-tv/dp/B0B3GTSQ9Q/
I found what I believe to be a very similar (if not the same) TV that OP has, and it also doesn’t have the specs listed on the Bestbuy website. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-43-class-s4-s-class-4k-uhd-hdr-led-smart-tv-with-google-tv/6538141.p?skuId=6538141
Did it have a picture on the box?
Pedestal mounts suck. Too wobbly.
One large source of liability also sitting on the desk in that picture, in fact.
Nobody tell him about what TV makers expected of you when they were all CRTs…
They don’t expect you to have a stand at all. They expect you to buy a separate wall mount piece and mount it directly on the wall.
they expect you to know the lengh of your own table that’s why they put the lengh on the site, also, the legs are already short, how OP expext the TV to be stable with it even shorter??
You can make a stable mount without legs as wide as the TV. I have two 27in, 1440p monitors, which both came with stands that were probably 30% as wide as the monitors themselves. However, the stands were weighted and primarily steel (I’m assuming it was steel anyway) with a plastic shell. A TV doesn’t need a wide base unless the company that made it is cheaping out and refuses to spend the money to make a weighted base.
Your monitors are probably much more expensive than this TV.
If my 75" TV can have a small center stand under it there’s no excuse for smaller tvs to have extra wide stands.
This is like a $150 TV. They aren’t going to make a $50 solid steel base and internal frame for that over some cheap injection molded legs.
Bro… That TV is over 7 years old, meant for health centers, and probably weighs 2 - 3 times the TV in OOP.
While yes, it is annoying, nothing modern has a center stand. https://www.google.com/search?q=tv with center stand
It’s definitely a cost cutting feature and you definitely can’t expect a $200 TV to have a weighted center stand these days.
I will never mount a TV on the wall. That shits annoying.
How is it annoying? I try to wall mount every TV because then I can move it around or angle it easily and it looks 100x better than hanging halfway off a bedside table.
The annoying thing for me is that you have to plug them in and hiding the power cord from dangling down the wall to an outlet sucks, and the only other option is to wire it up through the wall, which is way more work.
That and, again, the mount is sold separately for like 90% of TVs. Just include a basic one with the TV. It’s literally just a piece of machined metal.
Or you can just buy one for < $60 to fit your particular use case exactly
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Legrand-0-5-in-White-Straight-Channel-Cord-Cover/3129213
I just use these to hide any cables and it makes them nearly invisible.
It would be nice if they included mounts, but the VESA mounting system is standardized and there are lots of different styles of mounts to fit your needs.
For me I hate the giant holes in my wall. Taking the mount down is a pain. Once it’s up you can’t move the TV anywhere else. Also, I hate tilting my head up just to see the TV.
Edit. Apparently not hanging a TV is a criminal offense around here.
if you’re making giant holes in your wall, you’re mounting wrong.
most wall mounts are going to be two or three bolt holes into a stud. they should be about as big around as a sharpie. if you remove the mount, a small dab of spackle covers them.
Are you not passing cables through the wall when you wall mount?
I make big ass holes, but I use toggle bolts for anything heavy that doesn’t line up with the studs, and those need a 1/2" hole.
Never rely on toggle bolts to hand a tv, find the studs and use lag bolts
The toggle bolts I use are rated for 60lb per bolt. The TV isn’t going anywhere.
Yeah I don’t want to spackle my walls, thanks.
How often do you move your TV off its shelf?
I tend to rearrange my livingroom more than once a lifetime.
Do you plan on painting ever? That would be the perfect time to fill the holes and paint over them…
No I do not.
Do you realize you’re allowed to hang your tv at any height you desire? The police won’t arrest you if you just put your tv at eye level.
The police won’t arrest you if you just put your tv at eye level.
Frankly, the crime should be if you put it at anything but eye level.
Do you realize I simply do not want my TV hanging on a wall?
Yes. Your reason is just dumb.
I’m glad you care so much about my living room lol
You have to find the studs, drill holes, make sure you have screws that are long enough (I imagine most wall mounts come with these, but never tried to actually wall-mount a TV), make sure the mount is level, then attach the mount to the wall, then the TV to the mount. That’s if you don’t care about exposed cables, and if you ever plan on showing your room off, someone’s gonna point out the lack of cable management (hurrr… Why aren’t the cables hidden?).
If you want to hide the cables too, then you have to cut holes in the wall, which means having some kind of saw. If you want the holes to look nice, then you need plates to go over the holes. Depending on the plates – whether they’re a basic, generic passthrough that you push cables through, or something more professional with actual sockets for dedicated inputs/outputs – you may need extra cables, one for each connection you’re wanting to route through the wall, plus extra cables to connect the plate behind the TV to the TV itself.
Now, if you don’t want to diy it, then you could pay someone to do it which makes it a lot easier on you, but now you’re spending cash to have someone do an easy but annoying and time consuming job for you.
This is mostly unnecessary. I just slap the wall mount up into the studs, hang the TV, and use a $7 cable concealer to hide the power cord. Dedicated outlets for power and video behind the TV is great but that’s more suited for rich people or electricians.
Found the American
you must not have kids or animals
I have two animals.
Fish don’t count in this scenario.
What if they’re in a tank?
What kinda tank are we talking here
The kind they don’t know how to drive
A T-55
Smaller tank than the one your mom has at Sea World
The true reason is cost, those stands that are included nowadays are insanely cheap and flimsy. If you’re buying a large TV, you should budget $30-$50 for a VESA mount.
Yep, that’s what I figured happened when they went from proper swivel pedestals to those stupid wedges. Hell even computer monitors are joining in on the action, the number of brand new, fairly high end and expensive monitors whose stock base is just bolted to the back and have zero adjustments is ridiculous.
I got a VESA stand for my grandparents TV for 15 bucks. Solid steel and sturdy as fuck.
Yep, and the manufacturer can’t even be bothered to spend that much more money to include a high quality stand with a thousand dollar TV with already high profit margins. Somehow, having to throw the default OEM parts in a landfill because they’re intentionally low quality and barely usable and being forced to buy a passable replacement separately is just a thing that they expect us to do now. Capitalism innovates y’all!
Exactly. 15 bucks is my retail cost.
I bet mass producing those vesa feet to include in the box wouldnt even add 5 bucks to the total cost, and no one would care or notice the price, and would love the stronger, sturdier base that doesnt require the entire USS Nimitz just to set the damn thing down on.
I think the fucking stupid part of this post is the OP buying a TV oversized for the space they want it on.
I can’t help you but I love this post.
Because you bought a really cheap TV and the little feet on the sides are cheaper than a center stand that needs to be much heavier and sturdier.
Yeah that’s one of those companies that buy bulk cheap TVs to slap their logo on and make out they’re a tech company… Looking at you Kogan.
TCL owns it’s own panel manufacturing company.
The latter half of your comment are probably what use TCL panels, but in this case, this is straight from the source.
Hmm if that’s the case I might try the TCL codes on my Universal remote, can’t get it to work with my Kogan tv.
No one has seemed to mention the rise of sound bars. Center stands block sound bars and so so many people are using them now.
That’s because TV’s no longer come with decent audio because they are made as thin as possible for whatever reason.
Bought a new OLED from LG last year. Main body is 3-4 inches thick and the sound is bloody incredible. There are still some gems out there
No surprise, a wide screen tv from the late 90s was big enough to house 2 gaint speakers and a subwoofer.
And took up half your room, and weighed 800 lbs, no thanks.
My dad’s place still has a gigantic plasma TV from 2000 that takes up maybe 1/3rd of the room it’s in. Great picture, great sound. Completely impractical.
Those sony Trinitrons sounded so damn good, you could hook up two rca’s to the AV jack and use the tv as an reasonably good speaker
Flat Panel TV were always meant to use with a sound system. It is only meant to display video. The belief has always been they are for higher end viewing. And it’s impossible to get good sound out of a audio in a chassis that thin, that is why sound bars exist. Ask anyone who knows home theaters and they will tell you more than 50% of the experience is the audio. You’re better off spending money on a good audio system and even going with a smaller screen if dealing with budget constraints for the best experience. They make them as thin as possible because people want that.
Yeah the speakers they come with are totally just for like pretend. They aren’t real or anything
Yeah they rely on the sound bouncing back from the wall which is why some TVs have the speakers on the back
