I remember there was a time on the internet where “Don’t feed the trolls” and “True story, read it on the internet” was a thing. Would be nice if they were a thing again. Even in this thread, obvious trolls are being engaged and motivated to spew their filth.
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This applies to any age group though so I don’t understand why you are pointing the finger in a particular direction. It’s not really helpful or insightful in the context of the thread.
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Well by that logic of age then gen X too. There’s a bit more insight for you.
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Gen x absolutely were parents at the beginning of the internet. The earlier gen X were in their 20’s when the world wide web was demonstrated so were the parents of the first children who were born into it.
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This is how smaller communities die. They get infested with state actors and the paradigm shifts on some of the stupidest, dipshit topics.
Big ones too. Case in point, USA.
You are literally reading EU state propaganda in this very post, an article by “kyivinsider” sourcing its information from “alliance4europe”, funded by the European Parliament and the Polish International Affairs ministry among others (according to its own website, feel free to check the link inside the article).
That doesn’t mean that it’s fake news or anything, the report is most likely true, just that it’s really ironic that we’re consuming state propaganda designed to make us worried about state propaganda from other “evil” countries (unlike our glorious EU parliament, not on a fascist downward spiral at all)
I thought I was smelling some more of that over there lately.
Can they not just block these? I get that this is a never ending battle against troll farms and the like, but is BSky already falling to the “more engagement is better and we don’t care if it’s nefarious engagement” trap already?
There are many useful blocklists. But the average user isn’t informed enough to seek them.
I mean for the service to block them or eliminate the troll accounts. Not for the user to do so.
The problem of platforms when they become big. Just like cyber criminals lurk on systems used by the mass to exploit. Things can be used for good and for bad. And its often the small portion of bad that ruins it for large majority. Just like the few football hooligans that screw things up for the rest.
Bad intend or behavior is just hard to manage in a free online world. If Elon is hated then Adrian will take over…
The fucking Russian shills cried on Reddit resulting in permanent bans. They will be here soon enough.
Idiots don’t fact-check, and now we all pay the price. We can leave Twitter, Bluesky, Reddit, whatever—but nothing can stops them anymore.
Keep in mind that state propaganda doesn’t equate misinformation. This very article is western state propaganda (“kyivinsider” using “alliance4europe” as a source for the article), and the report is most likely true. You don’t need to strictly lie or misinform to create state propaganda, you just need to propagate your talking points and direct the public discourse to given topics. We’re very concerned about Russian propaganda (and rightfully so) but, fuck, we’ve been literally supporting a genocide and all the state propaganda from our own western countries was directing ourselves in other direction, maybe we should worry about that too. We’re literally consuming state propaganda right now in this article.
I don’t support Ukraine
I’m sure Russia will happily send you to the front comrade.
Used to dream of that when I was a kid. Glory to the motherland and all. But now - Russia is like a little us clone.
I too love genocidal regimes and war crimes. Can’t get enough of that mass slaughter of civilians and kidnapping of children.
so you were gonna vote for kamala and the continuation of genocide in gaza, yeah?
I voted for Kamala to prevent my own gay daughter from being part of Trump’s genocide. Sorry, I care about my daughter more than anyone else in this world and I am going to do what is best for her. Which is why we fled the U.S. when Trump won.
But let me guess- I should care about people other than my daughter first. And also, queer people aren’t in any danger under Trump.
Honestly, props to you for fleeing the US while you could, the genocidal empire is on a spiral to fascism. May I ask where you’ve decided to move?
The UK. I am a dual national.
Welp, here’s hoping that western Europe doesn’t end up going in the same direction. I’m western European myself and I’m fucking afraid of the fascist spiral we’re seeing here too.
wow, i didn’t know your own gay daughter was going to be genocided by trump. you realize the democrats would’ve had a much better chance to win and prevent his second term if they weren’t helping israel with their extermination campaign. – you know the one that is real and actually happened (is happening)
Called it. There’s only one genocide that matters and it only matters because Palestinians can be used as a pawn in internet argument.
Fuck queer people as usual.
By the way, there are queer Palestinians, many in the U.S. I want you to find one and tell them that they have nothing to be worried about. Not that you will since you’ve already decided fuck them.
i have a gay brother who isn’t afraid of being genocided… funny, that
Is your brother Palestinian? Otherwise that is irrelevant except to show that you don’t really care about his life. Which doesn’t shock me.
But you only sort of caring about the Palestinians who fit the cishet mold is noted.
U banned me in another sub already. Because apparently you are from Israel. Are u adminning this sub too?
I was born in the U.S. and live in the U.K. But nice try.
Don’t have to try Squidward , it’s a reality. U are genocide supporter.
Answer this question - should Palestinians have rights and not be bombed indiscriminately?
Of course they should. That’s why I spend hours every week contacting politicians to stop this genocide.
What have you done about it?
this place feels more like reddit everyday… western colonial echo chamber masquerading as ‘the good guys’ (referring to your downvotes i mean)
Let me guess- you think I think I’m one of the good guys.
But there are no good guys. Humans are selfish assholes. All of them. Unless you want to argue that you are one of the good guys.
Bet you think I’m lying about not being an Israeli too.
no i don’t think you’re one of the good guys.
good people exist
i don’t care where you’re from.
That’s not what I said. You aren’t even reading my posts.
Let me guess- you think I think I’m one of the good guys.
First you don’t realize I said my daughter was queer, now this.
You don’t read, you just assume you’ve read.
Kidnapping? Palestinians dream someone kidnap their kids like that - got them away from warzone with food and shelter.
Hey when you’re done with that strawman can I borrow it? I gotta scare some birds
U can have it bro.
Russian behavior in Ukraine is actually very nice. They see Ukrainian like own people.Israel on the on the other hand just genociding
Russian behaviour in Ukraine is actually very nice? Is that how you describe bombing schools and playgrounds and terrorizing cities? Invading a neighbouring is actually very nice? Kidnapping and raping, castration are all very nice? Israel genocide is true, but russia isn’t better. Please look at other news sources. Get off Twitter, don’t watch fox.
For those who are NOT this person:
During the Russo-Ukrainian War,[3] Russia has forcibly transferred almost 20 thousand Ukrainian children to areas under its control, assigned them Russian citizenship, forcibly adopted them into Russian families, and created obstacles for their reunification with their parents and homeland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Wikipedia, according to itself, isn’t a reliable source when it comes to such internationally hot topics. It’s primarily written by western young men who are mostly exposed exclusively to western media, and the articles they write are referenced by this same media. If you wanna read a bit more on this, I did a writeup some weeks ago about this very topic, sourcing my information from wikipedia itself.
With this I don’t mean to say that the accusations you’re showing are false, I honestly don’t have enough information to confirm or deny it, but in times of war information is a powerful tool and media from both sides won’t doubt to distort information to benefit their own countries.
They literally cite their sources. They always cite their sources. Just dismissing it as “Wikipedia is written by Westerners” pretends that isn’t true. And I know you’re not that stupid.
Could you please do me the favour and read my writeup before responding like that? I addressed what you’re saying.
Wikipedia itself has an article on its own bias, and an article on which sources the wiki editors consider reliable. Feel free to read my writeup for extended info on that.
Is your writeup about that specific article? Because if not, it’s irrelevant. You can judge whether the source is reliable by going there, which you are apparently unwilling to do because you’ve already decided it’s too biased.
Also, there are Wikipedia editors from all over the world. I think you know that too.
Seems like your real problem is they’re being big meanies to Russia which only has the best intentions for Ukrainians and would never commit any war crimes.
That’s a propaganda article.
They are removing children away from Frontline, something Palestinians can only dream of.Think about that. You’re the one regurgitating russian propaganda
I believe america is broke.
It lost manufacturing advantage and rapidly falling behind china in most areas. Nothing is made here anymore.And then - us won’t engage in the open conflict with Russia, it can’t - which means the only option is sending weapons and hopes and prayers.
This model - the only thing it accomplishes is prolonging the suffering with inevitable ukraine defeat. Same with Taiwan - us can’t win that war and should just let it go.
I don’t see a point in that. I don’t care about that.
I say - just cut a deal with Putin and move along.This is one of the few things I agree with Trump on.
No, it lets people fight for their homes. It stops russian colonialism. The only thing the US COULD do is beat other countries at war… for now. Cutting a deal with putin is pulling a Chamberlain, russia will keep committing atrocities and anexing others.
You’ve lied about me over and over and now you expect me to believe that?
Still waiting to hear what you’ve done to try to stop the genocide. Other than lie about people online, obviously.
I called my reps.
And I advocate online.U just banned me under some absolutely fake reason. Go home israelloving troll
Still lying about me I see.
And I think we both know why.
Looking it up, I see the “fake reason” you were banned was bigotry.
Doesn’t look like a fake reason to me.
Yeah Lemmy too.
(edit: as in spreads to Lemmy too based on the brainrot I replied to)
Hey Ivan, the Russian infantry is looking for volunteers. Don’t worry the NATO tungsten will be greet your worthless ass. Take the MAGAts with you!
And blocked.
the us knew what it was doing and ukraine has learned a hard lesson about having america as an ally. i didn’t know how aggressively hivemind it was around here, its a little more like reddit than one would hope… 90 downvotes, that’s like half the community :p give or take a few bots, i’m sure.
I think people downvote quite more readily to show disagreement here, not in the least because downvoted comments don’t get buried.
And, like, seriously. If you can’t even muster thoughts and prayers, if you can’t even muster being indifferent, can’t muster simply not leaving a comment at all, but have to shout your disapproval of Ukraine existing as a sovereign state from the rooftops, you’re an asshole. Unambiguously.
In this case, probably an attention troll.
who wants thoughts and prayers… you want people to observe some fake decorum and misrepresent themselves? are you familiar with nato and previous declarations that russia laid out time and again was a red line not to cross with regard to expansion into ukraine?
Ukraine didn’t even want to join NATO. Before the invasion, that is. Also Russia doesn’t get to tell other countries which alliances it can and cannot join, what are you, an imperialist or something?
sorry if the truth conflicts with your ‘reality’
What ‘reality’?
Ukraine’s intention to join NATO and create a hostile state bordering Russia is what triggered this.
Man, there’s like no day I don’t see another high quality version of this meme on Lemmy.
How many different upscaled versions do you people have exactly?
This is fuckin’ special, background cut out 16k ultra HD
I have another that I ran through a 16x upscaling model but nothing has called for a 12k x 10k pikachu yet
What about vector pikachu?
yet…
That’s how you know you’ve made it in social media
“Being infiltrated by Russian bots” is the new “being bought out by Big Tech”, I guess
I wonder if they’ll ever notice this place. Like. Before a big election or something.
Notice this place? Lemmy?
The place made because "Fuck the white supremacist Reddit admins, want me to set up a self hosted one for /r/communism?"That place?
That’s the one!
Well. Sort of.
You are commenting in a post linking to “kyivinsider”, whose article sources its information from “alliance4europe”, this is literally state propaganda. I don’t mean to say it’s disinformation because the content of the article is probably true, but this is evidence that state propaganda is already rampant in Lemmy and we should be aware of it.
I swear they’re already here. We got a couple stubborn conservative plants doing nothing but posting disinfo day in and day out. The mods of !conservative@lemmy.world are particularly sus.
LMAO, what a sub… I don’t what I expected going in, but it certainly wasnt a crypto scam as the first post. More like conservative @ my ass
That’s basically what the ml and hexbear instances seem to be. Or at least there’s a lot of them there.
At least this anti-Ukrainian spam seems to get flagged as such in my polish corner of Bluesky. Wondering how long that will last and if we’ll see Jack Dorsey doing fascist salutes on stage too.
As far as I know, Jack Dorsey left Bluesky almost a year ago: https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-bluesky-twiiter-nostr-interview-2024-5
His interview on the topic: https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana
I have to somewhat agree with him that Bluesky is still very much susceptible to turning into Twitter all over again. Right now, it definitely feels like Twitter in its infancy but with all the modern QoL features we expect to have nowadays. Which is nice, of course. Twitter didn’t used to be such a toxic shithole of bots and disinformation, it used to be a powerful communication tool for activism and journalists covering rapidly evolving events live.
However, the endgame of such platforms is inevitable. Higher user saturation means higher operating costs, which then usually means the company has a higher reliance on advertising, which then leads to more algorithms and data mining for targeted ads, which then leads to easier mass political manipulation campaigns.
I’m not sure if it’s actually possible to attract mass audience without an algorithm driven model. Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
I’m sure that’s a factor, but I can think of another reason. Decision paralysis when picking instances and frontends has been cited quite often as a substantial hurdle.
Sure, I can definitely see that as an issue for Lemmy especially. I haven’t used Mastodon in awhile (microblog format doesn’t really appeal to me outside of when I’m looking for sales), but I had thought that the main mobile app defaulted to the biggest instance there. Is that not the case?
apparently, after a recent thread on lemmy and some reading, dorsey left bluesky some time ago
He quit and Mike Masnick, of Techdirt fame, replaced him which is a good upgrade.
Unfortunately, they still have Aaron Rodericks on trust and safety, who’s cozy with Singal.
And what’s the problem with liking Signal?
Wouldn’t want to be getting any criticism in your feed of an authoritarian far-right dictatorship, now would we? Can’t have these tankies calling for elections or banning Nazi symbols!
It’s funny that I can interpret this in every way possible. Yes, I prefer to be able to be critical of US or Russia on my social media without getting downranked. Yes, I’m for free elections in Belarus. I’d be for banning nazi symbols but they’re banned where I live already.
Haven’t you heard? When Ukrainians declare themselves Nazis, cover themselves in Nazi patches, and refuse to hold elections, it’s “complicated” and we’re not allowed to talk about it.
Yes, and because there are Nazis in their army and refuse to hold elections in a war-thorn country, they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families, and beaten and raped until they forget that ugly Russian dialect some dare to call “the Ukrainian language”.🤡
they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families
Russia is the only side that has set “status quo conditions” for avoiding war. West+Ukraine chose this war. That orphanages in Crimea were evacuated to “safety”, and included a few ethnic Ukrainian children is not the “horror” it’s hyped to be.
It’s fair to blame the side fighting for nazification and nato for the war.
You seem to think countries can be forced to invade other countries. That is not how anything works.
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Ukraine “choose” the war by not wanting to be a Russian satellite state anymore.
No. Killing ethnic Russians for 8 years, and not implementing the autonomy agreements, chose the war. Ukraine can peacefully join EU or have greater EU trade.
Do you believe this to be a reasoned response to my concern about real, self-identified Nazis empowered by the US? Do you think that countering Nazi criticism with reflexive projection of genocidal intent is helping your case?
I can count quite a few people, who have similar concerns about Palestinians, yet here we are…
Yes, I believe you can count zionists, and that you reflexively defend fascists there as well.
Unfortunately every countries military has nationalistic fascists, some of which use Nazi iconography to display their “pride”. I could find the 1940 Swedish general election (not at war), 1942 Icelandic parliamentary election (occupied by USA), 1943 & 1944 Irish general elections (not at war) as the elections held between Sep 1939 & Sep 1945, the other democratic European country’s I reviewed, elections were either postponed or went uncontested.
Is every country erecting monuments to or naming streets after famous Nazis?
Oh look. It’s the countries arming these Nazis. What a weird coincidence.
it is normal because the platform is growing and then BSKY public blocklist will be bigger to counter this.
It’s always been there, it’s easier to moderate them out than it is on the alternatives. Would rather still be on bsky/mastodon than whatever the fuck.
Oh, good. I was worried we might actually get to keep a platform free of garbage. Whew. Can’t wait for all those conspiracy nuts to join in too!
/s
Seriously, if someone would just off Putin, that’d be great. Let Russia fall into a little civil war as smaller leaders fight amongst themselves for the scraps.
Just curious. Would you support a civil war in now openly fascist USA (see support of genocide and nazi salutes in presidential inauguration)? I don’t support civil war in either because that’s a horrifying outcome for the population of both.
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i was hoping for a purified echo chamber because that’s clearly what this world needs more of.
Too many nukes
If they had any that worked, they’d have used them by now.
Putin may be crazy, but he’s not suicidal.
Nukes aren’t self stable. The brains that it takes to maintain the stock left or died long ago.
Uhhh… I’d say he already crossed that threshold recently when he flung that empty ballistic missle into some random ass factory
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That is the western propaganda for justifying diminishing Russia. “If we are lucky a civil war fractures Russia into balkanized sections which the US/CIA will be able to keep divided and warmongering amongst each other. Blow up their oil. Yay!”. Instead, Russians understand this war as defensive, and don’t believe “NATO is a purely defensive alliance” BS, any more than non-imbeciles in west believe it, instead of willingly going along with the hateful propaganda lies because they have internalized their rulers warmongering profits as if it were a sports home team.
We can all be very thankful for Putin’s restraint on nuclear strikes of US bases in Europe, or Aircarrier fleets off coast of Israel. If anything, opposition in Russia that would replace him, if impression was that Russia was losing/Putin approach was failing, would be more aggressive in ending the war once and for all.
Cries about western propaganda while deep throating Kremlin propaganda. Good job.
Russians understand Ukraine to be a necessary defensive action. Reality. And only relevance to their actions. Western propaganda meant to disinform Russians that NATO motives are purely human truth and love is desperation that cannot end well.
And you’re still pushing Kremlin propaganda. Cool.
