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“Why aren’t people having kids?”
You know, aside from the world being on fire
They chose to use a stock photo of a million dollars.
$5000 is only 2 and a half of those bundles of $20’s.
These people are trying to run propaganda for Trump, they can’t even keep their fascist bullshit straight.
but when you look through maga glasses, that’s what you see when a black single mom of 2 receives a wic voucher for a couple gallons of milk.
You see, its not one black mom, its the millions of moms getting subsidies!
Lets ignore the part where we somewhy have a million moms needing subsidies.
I worked both Brinks type security and for Chase, so the inside and outside. That’s not a million. It’s probably somewhere between a quarter and a half, but the picture doesn’t make it super easy to tell.
Your point is very valid however, they used a deceiving picture on purpose.
Lol so even if they were $1 bills that wouldn’t be an accurate pic hahaha
Yeah looks about right with the hundred stacks in there. I’m not putting a ton of effort in here, but eyeballing it looks about like what I’d expect.
Was gonna say actually you’re probably right because it was probably a couple of suitcases and then the 300 K backpack
Cheers for low effort irrelevant curiosities
Is that a million? They’re 20 dollar bills in packs of what looks like it might be 100, so $2000 per pack. There’s about 50 of those, so $100.000 in total. Maybe I underestimated the pack size and number of packs and it’s actually $400.000, but I think it’s unlikely to be a million. (I still agree with the rest of your comment of course)
Thank you! Maddening!
WE CAN’T DO THAT, IT’S LIKE PUNISHING THE MOMS WHO ALREADY HAD CHILDREN!!! /s
This is literally going to be an argument if people start proposing free daycare/child care :/
It’s already been done to college students - that’s the parallel I was trying to draw
“I had to suffer so you should too!”
That’s the nice thing in a social democracy
When the next generations has better education, my pension fund will be more filled
In practice though, it seems people are the same kind of stupid…
That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.
This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
It’s the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they’re always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it’s much cheaper tend to think it’s like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc… It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.
I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.
Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.
Oopsies, births cost $5k more now tee hee.
Meanwhile Id kill for those 5k bucks. But thats becausw the right to stay alive doesnt cost me a kidney
giving birth in a hospital costs $10k, after insurance payback?
Our deductible was about 6,500. It depends what kind of plan you’re on
I wouldn’t use the word “tunnel-visioned”. That implies focused on something and ignoring the things nearby.
I think it’s more accurate to say “ignorant”. Many, probably most Americans just have no clue about most things outside the USA. You’ve travelled abroad, most Americans have not. The US is such an insular society that people can get away with saying things like “Canadians hate their healthcare” and people actually believe them.
Agreed. Solid point
Better Idea, let’s fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.
Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.
Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
One of those are more likely than the others. It’s the last one.
And you just know the people coming out of those labour factories will all share a visibly distinct attribute - or tint, god help me for saying that - that makes them recognizable as low-caste now as it did in the 1800s.
I hate fearing that is right around the corner. Again, fuck.
I’m gonna fucking laugh if it leads to a revolution due to the slaves being the only people actively reproducing
What do you think all of this immigrant shit is about. They want white babies.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
Mmm yes, Borrasca.
Look at the historic birth rate in countries where where these things aren’t an issue and you’ll realize that unless you walk back on women rights and access to contraception, people won’t have enough babies to renew the population because they simple don’t want to have enough of them to do so.
There might be other factors at play. Deciding to have a child is a complex decision. But not having those things mentioned just makes the problem worse.
Also, speaking of historical facts. Even outlawing abortion and such doesn’t stop it. They travel or use risky methods. Or they put the kid up for adoption which leads to a massive spike in crime. Which is why roughly 18 years after Roe v Wade there was a drop in crime.
As I said, it’s just historical stats from a bunch of different countries that all show the same thing.
Both my sisters in law have three kids and get about $1.6k in financial help, super cheap childcare and free healthcare, they’re still in the minority of people who have 3 kids in Canada and most of the decline happened just as the pill was made legal and women started having rights and didn’t depend on their husband to, for example, open a bank account and at a time when buying a house wasn’t an issue.
Look at migrants from African countries, childbirth over there is super high, they move to a rich country and they don’t have as many kids as the average in their country of origin even though living conditions are better.
Women rights. Contraception.
You call out all the reasons they should have a kid, like free healthcare. But ignore all the reasons why people don’t want to have kids.
You also ignore all the reasons why someone in a 3rd world country might have more kids. Like mortality rate, needing more hands for work, etc.
Yes contraception and reproductive rights are part of it. But acting like those are the only things it’s naive.
Acting like making peoples lives more comfortable will make them want to have kids is every more naive, that’s why I was replying in the first place. There’s plenty of reasons people don’t want them, women rights gives them even more reasons, women rights and contraception gives them the means to prevent it.
Lol, you’re clearly invested in one side and doing research in only one direction. There are plenty of reasons people would want kids too. There are plenty of reasons they don’t have kids that can be changed.
You also pick out a chart that conveniently only has things that support this view called out. Ignoring correlation doesn’t equal causation. If you think so, this site will blow your mind https://search.app/RrPkGZ5UpJcSrvHU9
I’m not here to change your mind, you’ve made it up. I’ve said my piece.
Thing is, when you see the same thing happen all over the world then saying “correlation doesn’t equal causation!” just makes you look dumb.
How in the fuck do you write “unless you walk back on women rights”? Like what happens in your mind that you actually post that for the public to see? Shame on you for that misogyny, you deserve a slap.
Also, where is this magical country where I don’t have to worry about wealth inequality and climate catastrophe?
You are absolutely arguing in bad faith, and for that, fuck you.
Reading comprehension much?
I never said it was acceptable to walk back on women rights, I said it’s something that people who want to see a higher birthrate will have to fight against because it’s not happening otherwise. I couldn’t give more of a crap about increasing birthrate, I won’t have kids by choice. I do give a fucking crap about women rights though!
I mentioned historical statistics because you can look back at times before climate change and wealth inequality worried anyone and birthrate was going down as women rights increased and contraception became readily available.
So, conclusion, if women are given the right to do more with their lives than being mothers and if contraceptives are made available, couples will make the decision not to have enough kids to renew the population, no matter how easy it is to have them, as we can see in all developed countries where socio economic inequality is lower than in the US. Scandinavian countries don’t renew their population without immigration and haven’t for a fucking long time, in Finland birthrate went below renewal rate before WW2 for fuck’s sake!
It’s the most horrendous correlation-is-causation I’ve ever seen.
And people outside US have it better, but the trajectory is mostly the same everywhere, so you’re just full of shit.
It’s not easy to have children ANYWHERE, and in most places it just too expensive or downright impossible due to childcare issues or tons of other things.
I’m talking about historic data and you’re unable to understand what that means in terms of variation in quality of life over time. Even when people could make it on a single income they didn’t have 2.1 kids if they had the means to prevent it.
Hell, millionaires and billionaires don’t have enough kids to renew the population either, but I guess you will find some way to not understand that either.
What the fuck are you on about?
“Billionares are parenting on average 2.99 children”
It’s you who mixes shit with stats and acting tough.
Shut up.
Wrong again
The average number of children among the 512 billionaires was 2.64, with US and Russian billionaires having higher averages of 2.8 and 3.2, respectively. The average number of children was also higher among older billionaires, **ranging from 1.05 among billionaires aged less than 45 ** to 3.2 among billionaires aged over 75. Among female billionaires, the average number of children was 2.41, while among males, it was slightly higher at 2.66. Tables 1-4 provide a detailed breakdown of the data.
1.05 kids for the ones under 45, will you look at that, just like everyone else in their generation, they don’t have kids!
They just cut head start, slashed medicade(51% of us babies are born on this program), no medicade no pediatric care for your baby either, cut hud, slashed the department of education, blocked student loan forgiveness, are dismantling the aca preventative care mandate, gutting worker protections, canceling child labor laws, laid off 275,000 workers and destroyed their livelihood and tanked the economy ……yea the birth rate is going to plummet. 5k lol doesn’t even cover a fraction of the utter devastation coming to American families from these moronic policies. Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into this racist sexist tech bro oligarchy?
And all to fund tax cuts for the wealthy - who don’t need them.
Are you saying the game of achieving highscores for world’s richest person with ever higher numbers isn’t important? /s
yea the birth rate is going to plummet.
I’m not so sure. Impoverished countries have the highest birth rates. I can imagine the logic of the wealthy 0.001% being “if we make the rest of the country as broke as Somalia, the birth rate will also be as high as Somalia.”
But that is a lot of complicated words, 5k is much easier to make a headline about, and re-elect the same people.
The Headstart cut hurts a lot. I know people that gone to that when they were little and had nothing but good things to say.
5000$ is a lot. In Germany you get only 250€
well, that's
per month until they’re 27 (as long as they’re still in school/university)
plus free healthcare for mother and child
plus free daycare (depending on the state)
plus free schools and universities
…We can all hope once the nazis leave, we too can be a civilized country.
I’m with you here, but we need to keep in mind that the nazis never “leave”. We’ll need to forever and continually keep these bastards from power.
This was the whole problem, they’ve been here all along.
We thought we beat them in the civil war, they just hunkered down and changed the name of slavery to Jim crow.
Now they think this is their moment.
Same thoughts here. Once they’re beaten, no “reconstruction” can be offered this time around. They’ll need to re-assimilate into our society.
If it’s like the civil war, we’ll kick them out and then build statues and name bases after them.
You forgot maternity leave, something the 'mricans don’t know, either.
whats leave
The paid variety. You stay at home for a certain time for being a mom (or dad!), and you employer respectively the state still pays for it. Horrible, this “communism”, isn’t it?
i understand the individual words you use, but when you put them in that order my blood starts getting all bubbly and full of nitrogen. i think i’ll take a nap
To add on, seems like the 5k (USD) is a one-time lump sum. Your price quote from Germany is already 3k (EUR) after a year. It only ever outscales the 5k.
See. Let’s ping Trump and tell him about it.
Maybe he’ll see the light
You got me in the first half.
This wouldn’t even cover the hospital bill for most people lol.
And since hospitals know moms will be getting an extra 5k they will just add that into the cost somehow. /s
No need to put a /s there
It won’t even cover the cost of giving birth. This is some real “how much could a banana cost” energy.
Also, the cost of giving birth will magically jump up by $5,000 as soon as this passes. It was never a function of how much it cost to actually provide that service.
$8000 if the mother wants to hold her baby after birth
And you wanna take that baby home? Well there’s a few for that.
Clinton Floats $5,000 Baby Bond
~ September 28, 2007
It’s nice to know these two are still in touch.
put into an index fund over the last seventeen years, that $5k is now $30k. it was not a terrible idea.
Of all the people who are so strapped they could receive $5k and not immediately blow it on visa bills and rent, parents aren’t even close to the list. $5k into investments? Most of them are either flirting with bankruptcy or engaging in some heavy petting in a corner booth.
Don’t judge me. I got kids to feed.
Not on its face, no. I think it’s still a band-aid attached to a bigger problem of generational inequality. Public housing, education, and a large competitive public hiring sector would have gone much farther in rectifying poverty in the US.
But the extra insulting aspect of “Baby Bonds” is that they’re an idea dangled over a public hungry for economic reforms which never actually gets delivered. When liberals lose, they get to nag centrists and insist “We had all these good ideas but you were too racist and stupid to accept them”. When they win, we get an earful about how the federal courts, the super-majority Senate, the prior administration’s mid-level bureaucrats, the state legislatures, and two dozen of DC’s biggest lobbying firms all have to agree to go along with it or the reforms can’t pass.
Seems like Republicans are getting in on the same act, now that kitchen table liberalism is experiencing a popular resurgence.
It’s really gonna help to pay for diapers in an index fund.
In Bill Clinton’s defense it was intended for the child, not the parent.
From the article: “I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time,” said Clinton, “so when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to put that down payment on their first home, or go into business.”
Personally I think the policy is a good idea, especially since it doesn’t encourage unwanted children from a short-term desire for cash. It would be great along with medicare for all, free tuition, a livable minimum wage, government housing for all, UBI…
I think it sounds like a way to give a bunch of money to Wall Street so they can gamble with it
Totally original idea
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/15/nx-s1-5077776/kamala-harris-child-tax-credit-housing
The type of person who would think 5k for having a kid is a great deal is exactly the type of person conservatives would bitch about having kids and leeching all the other government resources.
Coincidentally, it’s also the exact type of person conservatives want having kids. They make up the majority of prison labor, military fodder, and wage slaves.
Trade:
- One person’s wages
For:
- Mortgage payments on a reasonably sized house
- All bills
- Food for two adults plus children
- Entertainment
Then you might see more babies.
It was their greed that caused this.
USA so shit they gotta pay people to make babies here
clearly this is meant to be read in an Uncle Roger voice right?
I had never heard of him until now
Thanks now I can’t get it out of my head
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In a lot of places 5K a month covers daycare, and not much more
To be fair that is the kind of place where the argument “move somewhere cheaper then if your income doesn’t match the cost of living” does have some merit. Oh, and fuck the employers who pay wages below the cost of living in their area.
Moving is incredibly expensive and you have to find a new job, which is hard as fuck for anything paying better than slave wages. I feel like shit like this is written by experienced coders, surgeons, people like that who can snap their fingers and have a different job.
The kind of places where daycare is 5K a month are probably the 5% most expensive areas in a first world country. If you don’t have a high paying job in those areas your job is very likely available elsewhere.
Or you have more than one kid.
Discussing cost for something like that per month but not per kid without mentioning the number of kids you are thinking of would be kind of weird.
$100k wtf? I only remember paying for parking at the hospital…evil socialism!
According to my halfassed search engine results, giving birth costs on average $18,000.
Just the cost of epidural, estimates range from $1000 to $3500 out of that cost.
As someone who lives in a country where giving birth is free that sounds absolutely insane to me. Are these birth costs in the US at least covered by common medical insurance or is it always that bad? It’s a miracle that the US birth rate is one of the highest in the western world when the conditions are like this…
After my son’s birth in 2006, we owed $12,000 after insurance. That was a single night’s stay in the hospital. Nothing out of the norm for the birth. We had to refinance the house the following year to pay off his and our daughter’s birth from 2005.
I think my hospital bills were around $5,000. What I didn’t anticipate was the fact that once my daughter was born I was paying hospital bills for me and for her. I think without insurance it was around 30k? So insurance covered 25,000 and we paid the rest
Right? 🇨🇦
But I have family in Sweden, and I’m not sure they don’t have a baby food fund, but I definitely remember that daycare, preschool and all schooling was free of user-fees and also nearby.
So she’s been walking the kids to the schools down the road a bit for 14 years now, on her way to and from work. And it’s been free. And I think they get lunch. And their schools are moderately successful and still have programmes. And they graduate kids who can add in their head and speak two languages or more.
Guys, I think rogue American states don’t want to join Canada. Join Denmark or Sweden instead!
Estonian here, similar, but two languages wasn’t actually an option at least earlier this century. I started my first foreign language in 3rd grade and the other one in 6th. Could’ve added a 3rd one in high school but didn’t feel like it personally.
Daycare isn’t entirely free but the fee is very small.
Hospital visits are 2.50 per night for inpatient or 5 euros a visit for outpatient I think. Without insurance most tests are still double digits, but major surgery can go into the thousands. Insurance is tied to having employment - but being in school, raising a child under 3, etc counts too. And so does registering as unemployed. Pretty much the only time you have no health insurance is if you’re a NEET and don’t register for unemployment.
And you can walk to places. In my hometown, we could just walk or cycle to the next town over. There’s a separate light traffic road next to the car road.
Not really, all the third world countries with no real system to pay for old age have high birthrates too.
American here. I don’t remember paying a dime for either of our kid’s birth. Don’t think we even had copays for the doctor.
I had a kid three years ago, we decided to get a higher premium health plan that specifically had excellent natal coverage. It’s one of the most expensive plans available to us but we didn’t pay anything for 9 months worth of prenatal visits plus 3 days in the hospital. The coverage statement said that delivery from the hospital was something like $28,000 but the first bill we actually saw that we had to pay was for a hearing test that was only partially covered.
An epidural doesn’t “cost” 3000€
A whole hospital stay for a normal uncomplicated birth in Germany (5 days) with Epidural is just 3600€ (that’s what the hospital gets paid, and most of them are for-profit in Germany)
